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tonigil · 11-17-2005, 03:41 PM

Here is a web site with a petition to help RV'rs.
RV Protection Proposal
Toni

tonigil · 11-17-2005, 03:41 PM

Here is a web site with a petition to help RV'rs.
RV Protection Proposal
Toni

Radarr · 11-17-2005, 06:08 PM

toni,

Everyone at this web site should read and sign this proposal and push to make into Law.

Radarr

Rich & Zara · 11-17-2005, 07:52 PM

It sounds good but this Internet petition will probably not help matters. Most (if not all) states do not recognize a 'so called' signed petition via the Internet as there is NO WAY to prove it was an actual input of the person shown. There is not a feasible way to follow-up on an Internet signature. If this petition was ON PAPER, then that would pose a different story and the outlook on something to be done might be realized.

Rich

tonigil · 11-18-2005, 09:15 AM

Rich
This is a "Proposal" for our politicians to review. This is not an actual Petiton. This was designed to gather positive & negative reactions to a final Law. I have been working on this for months and have had approx 600 rvers sign on another site. I had received complaints about the site being too commercialized. So I started this site which has no PopUps and no advertisements. If you should be interested in seeing the original site, here it is.....
Original Petition Site
I will be gathering more signatures from the
New Petition site
and I will be enclosing both copies to our Congressmen & Representatives for consideration.
This is the first baby step in the right direction. It will take more time & hours as I continue to work on this. But, when this is done, and it will be, the final Petition will be sent out to anyone who has sent me their email address or posted their email addresses on the site.
The next step would be, when I am ready to mail mine, is for everyone to be notified via email with the Petition in the body of the email for them to sign and forward to their respective Congressmen or Women & Representatives.
I have had legal help with the construction of this Proposal from our fellow rvers who have retired from the legal profession. I have already contacted a few politicians to get their views on how to proceed.
So you see this Petition Proposal is only the beginning and the first step in the right direction. If you have any questions or would like to contact me personally, you can go through My Personal Web Site
And click on "Contact Me" to get to my email address.
Thank you so very much for the opportunity to explain what this is all about. I must add that I have no agenda except to see this through. I am a very happy camper and we do enjoy ourselves as you will see when you go to My Personal Web Site.
Again Thank you,
Toni
PS. I have gathered well over 200 horror stories (and they are still coming in) to be attached to these petitions.

Jerry Crawford · 12-01-2005, 03:36 PM

Pardon me if I'm missing something - but how does this suggested proposal differ from present "Lemon Law" provisions? I thought all states have some kind of lemon law provision.

Alarmguy · 12-01-2005, 08:47 PM

I believe the point is that these laws vary state to state and cover the vehicle it's self but not always the systems/components of the RV which many dealers will tell you are warrantied by the individual manufacturer i.e. water heater by, say Atwood, which leaves you having to go to many different places if you have problems with different systems.

On my particular RV the manufacturer clearly states in their warranty that they WILL NOT buy back or replace the RV but will repair what ever is wrong with it.

If you think about that for just a second, fixing it is great, but if they are constantly fixing it as has been the case for some RVers and it spends months on end in the shop you have no recourse except letting them continue to keep it in the shop.

As I understand it the new law would standardize things everywhere and prohibit such statements by manufacturers.

Terry

tonigil · 12-02-2005, 04:33 AM

Alarmguy,
You kit the nail on the head. None of the house of any RV is covered by the Lemon Law in some states. True there are states that you may have recourse to repairs. But, how long do you want to have your RV laid up in a shop? With the limitation on "Out of Service" there is resolve.
There is only one exception to what you said in your comment. Mfgs do buy back. There have been hundreds of buy backs. We don't hear about them because the owner has to sign a confidentiality agreement which of course is not publicized obviously. But, if you talk to these people as I have done, you find out that they now have a brand new RV of the same type when they have completed their long drawn out discussions with Mfg/dealers.
Toni

tonigil · 12-02-2005, 04:35 AM

BTW, there are only a few states that really cover an RV under the Lemon Law. And some do not cover any trailer or 5th wheel. They must be motorized.
Toni

Ray,IN · 12-06-2005, 05:32 PM

So- Is this a petition or a proposal? You have said both. As already stated an internet petition is meaningless, as anyone can copy a phone book. If it's a proposal, that has already been presented, direct contact with legislators is the best way to sway them. Now all that remains is convincing people to pick up a pen.

tonigil · 12-07-2005, 12:58 PM

This is a PROPOSAL in Petition form to send out to the politicians to gain interest in our cause. When the time comes for the mailings, This Proposal will be included in the mailing with the stories and some pictures, I have gathered to convince the "Powers that Be" that this is a much needed and important proposal for them to consider to put into law. It of course has to be formatted in legal terminology when it becomes law. But, this, as I have said, is a baby step in the right direction to get attention for our protection in our future purchases.
Toni

Ray,IN · 12-12-2005, 01:54 AM

How does this proposal differ from this?

tonigil · 12-12-2005, 12:24 PM

I am so sorry. I thought I replied to this. This law is very similar to the Lemon Law. However, there is Not a Lemon Law for RVs in every state. Only a few states cover RV living area. That is the House part which includes all of the wiring and installation defects that may have passed the Mfg. inspections. Which btw, I have a file full of nightmares concerning major problems that have not been addressed by the Mfg under the Warranty. Many have had to trade their Brand New RVs for a large loss of money. Many have had health issues due to the aggravation and attitudes of the Mfg/dealers for these repairs. This was because there was no Lemon Law in the state they live in or purchased.
Toni

Ray,IN · 12-12-2005, 05:32 PM

The fog has cleared, I read some of the state lemon laws and now see your point. Indiana for instance has a lemon law that covers motorized vehicles under 10,000lbs GVWR only. Non-motorized vehicles or trailers are not covered at all.