Originally Posted by redhooker
We also AVOID places that mandate masks. We don’t wear them as the DW is a family Dr and I also am a healthcare provider for over 20 years and we are educated enough in infection control to understand that the masks most wear are not protecting anything except people’s emotions. Most are actually increasing the risk. 15 year Disney Passholders cancelling our passes as we will not be attending parks with facecoverings.
Sorry about the experience the OP had. That stinks.
Can't say in the 5 years we've been RVing, we've encountered the noise issues. We have had some pretty uneven sites, though. Can relate.
I didn't know about CampsiteReviews.com. Thanks so much for sharing!!
We travel with kids too so we enjoy places where there is some activity and buzz.
As for masks, I have to respectfully disagree. With all sincerity, thanks for the work you and your wife are doing. My wife is a surgeon. Know other docs personally. For me it's about the law of primacy, scientific method, nuance, personal risk with a twist.
Law of Primacy - We were told no masks in the beginning b/c there was a shortage for first responders. Even hospital admins didn't let (high risk) docs/staff wear masks. Now the supply chain has caught up. The first thing we learn is what (unfortunately) sticks. In this case, don't wear masks.
Scientific Method - With all of instant gratification culture (Amazon, Google, Netflix, order-ahead-apps, Uber, etc.) thanks to AI/machine learning, we forget that we don't know everything in an instant. Yes, we had pandemics in 1918 (The Great Influenza is a great book), 1957, and 1968, but COVID-19 is not them. Our economy is different. We are much more transient. Yup, skewed and discredited studies have been published. There will be more. Some studies have been wrong. But there is a lot important, credible research that confirms other studies. We are seeing a pattern. We are living the scientific method we all learned in 7th grade. We were taught not all hypotheses are true and that's ok. We can't disbelieve everything b/c of failed tests - it's part of the scientific method. It took literally 606 tries to find the cure to syphilis.
Nuance - This is a respiratory virus. Space x time
we are learning from above scientific method is important. Outside, in small gatherings, masks don't seem needed. Hanging around my RV site over Memorial Day weekend with my immediate family, I didn't think a mask was necessary. Virus particles fall. Some say sun impacts.
Inside, however, especially with singing, heavy breathing from exercise, masks can be more effective than not wearing one especially in small spaces. Large crowds, outside - I don't know if we know. Sports stadiums are seen as a possible hotspot (yelling, close contact, time). It's about the nuance. We humans like 2 dial thinking - all or nothing, (Dan Kahneman, Thinking Slow, Thinking Fast
, Phil Tetlock - Superforecasting
) - we don't think in nuance. It literally saps our brains. The conditions to wear a mask is nuanced.
Personal risk - My brother thinks this is a hoax. I don't. That's ok. Still love him very much. Still enjoyed beer with him when we took our RV to his house in the Poconos this past weekend. Best weekend in 3 months! Everyone has their own personal risk assessment. COVID-19 seems to have a higher R0 (r naught - infection rate) than seasonal flu without any measures. Plus (as someone mentioned above), the current mortality rates compare 3 months of COVID-19 to 12 months of the flu. Kinda apples to oranges. This didn't change his mind. He's not a fan of masks. That's ok. If other folks wear masks that's ok, too. Masks are insurance in my mind.
I used to fly airplanes. Knew the stats/risk. Still carried a lot of insurance. Same for firearms for protection. Run a Bayesian probability on the need for firearms for protection. It's pretty improbable. Many, though, still have them.
Twist - Here's the twist. I'm all about individual freedoms and rights. Eat and drink what you want. I don't care (well, I do care about my fellow humans). 2nd Amendment, I'm all for it. But, COVID-19 doesn't care either. It's a virus. It wants to keep spreading. That's why it mutates. (Kinda weird to think it's really not "living" in the traditional sense)
Bottom line: If you've got the virus in your lungs, you can spread it to mine and others' lungs. Wearing a mask is a simple way for me to be outside and inside supporting our economy while mitigating some of my personal risk and hopefully keeping others safe.
And there's a good probability in the coming months I will update my thinking as we globally go through the scientific method.
Again, I mean this post with the utmost respect and thanks again for the website tip!!