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Old 06-18-2020, 09:03 AM   #43
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Interesting thread. I'm reminded a little of a place we went to last year for an event. Reserved online and I wasn't sure which one to get so rolled the dice. When we got there it was pretty bare minimum. All hookups but on grass and no other facilities at all. Around the corner was a place that was a little high but had gravel, wifi, picnic tables, etc. No big deal.

I noticed across from us were over a dozen fivers all lined up and some trucks with company plates. Caught a guy and found that they were all a gas pipeline crew in town for a contract.

Later that night (Friday) those folks all gathered up at one trailer that had a big awning and a fire going. It was cold and wet that night but they stayed out there for hours. Music, but too loud. Wife got concerned at first. I explained to her they were just a bunch of young folks out of town on a job. Some had girlfriends/wives/kids with them. Of they didn't know anyone but each other. End of the work week, everybody blowing off a little steam. I caught her getting up to peek and see what they were up to every so often. At some point there was someone with a guitar and a bit of singing. After watching her hop up and down a bit I said "You know, some years ago you and me would be right over there in the middle with them." She said "Hmmm."

Anyway, not a real big deal. Noisy but not too terribly so. They stayed out there way past when we finally turned in. The next day I greeted a couple that looked a little worse for wear. Pretty tough folks though, they did a complete repeat performance Saturday night too.

So a little while ago we planned to return. I said this time let's try that nicer campground. Wife said "Oh no, I really liked the one we were at. " I looked at her a bit and said "You DO realize that all those young pipeline people will have been long gone by now, right?" She replied: "Oh. Well. Maybe we can try the other place then."
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Old 06-18-2020, 09:39 AM   #44
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We also AVOID places that mandate masks. We don’t wear them as the DW is a family Dr and I also am a healthcare provider for over 20 years and we are educated enough in infection control to understand that the masks most wear are not protecting anything except people’s emotions. Most are actually increasing the risk. 15 year Disney Passholders cancelling our passes as we will not be attending parks with facecoverings.
Sorry about the experience the OP had. That stinks.

Can't say in the 5 years we've been RVing, we've encountered the noise issues. We have had some pretty uneven sites, though. Can relate.

I didn't know about CampsiteReviews.com. Thanks so much for sharing!!

We travel with kids too so we enjoy places where there is some activity and buzz.

As for masks, I have to respectfully disagree. With all sincerity, thanks for the work you and your wife are doing. My wife is a surgeon. Know other docs personally. For me it's about the law of primacy, scientific method, nuance, personal risk with a twist.

Law of Primacy - We were told no masks in the beginning b/c there was a shortage for first responders. Even hospital admins didn't let (high risk) docs/staff wear masks. Now the supply chain has caught up. The first thing we learn is what (unfortunately) sticks. In this case, don't wear masks.

Scientific Method - With all of instant gratification culture (Amazon, Google, Netflix, order-ahead-apps, Uber, etc.) thanks to AI/machine learning, we forget that we don't know everything in an instant. Yes, we had pandemics in 1918 (The Great Influenza is a great book), 1957, and 1968, but COVID-19 is not them. Our economy is different. We are much more transient. Yup, skewed and discredited studies have been published. There will be more. Some studies have been wrong. But there is a lot important, credible research that confirms other studies. We are seeing a pattern. We are living the scientific method we all learned in 7th grade. We were taught not all hypotheses are true and that's ok. We can't disbelieve everything b/c of failed tests - it's part of the scientific method. It took literally 606 tries to find the cure to syphilis.

Nuance - This is a respiratory virus. Space x time we are learning from above scientific method is important. Outside, in small gatherings, masks don't seem needed. Hanging around my RV site over Memorial Day weekend with my immediate family, I didn't think a mask was necessary. Virus particles fall. Some say sun impacts.

Inside, however, especially with singing, heavy breathing from exercise, masks can be more effective than not wearing one especially in small spaces. Large crowds, outside - I don't know if we know. Sports stadiums are seen as a possible hotspot (yelling, close contact, time). It's about the nuance. We humans like 2 dial thinking - all or nothing, (Dan Kahneman, Thinking Slow, Thinking Fast, Phil Tetlock - Superforecasting) - we don't think in nuance. It literally saps our brains. The conditions to wear a mask is nuanced.

Personal risk - My brother thinks this is a hoax. I don't. That's ok. Still love him very much. Still enjoyed beer with him when we took our RV to his house in the Poconos this past weekend. Best weekend in 3 months! Everyone has their own personal risk assessment. COVID-19 seems to have a higher R0 (r naught - infection rate) than seasonal flu without any measures. Plus (as someone mentioned above), the current mortality rates compare 3 months of COVID-19 to 12 months of the flu. Kinda apples to oranges. This didn't change his mind. He's not a fan of masks. That's ok. If other folks wear masks that's ok, too. Masks are insurance in my mind.

I used to fly airplanes. Knew the stats/risk. Still carried a lot of insurance. Same for firearms for protection. Run a Bayesian probability on the need for firearms for protection. It's pretty improbable. Many, though, still have them.

Twist - Here's the twist. I'm all about individual freedoms and rights. Eat and drink what you want. I don't care (well, I do care about my fellow humans). 2nd Amendment, I'm all for it. But, COVID-19 doesn't care either. It's a virus. It wants to keep spreading. That's why it mutates. (Kinda weird to think it's really not "living" in the traditional sense)

Bottom line: If you've got the virus in your lungs, you can spread it to mine and others' lungs. Wearing a mask is a simple way for me to be outside and inside supporting our economy while mitigating some of my personal risk and hopefully keeping others safe.

And there's a good probability in the coming months I will update my thinking as we globally go through the scientific method.

Again, I mean this post with the utmost respect and thanks again for the website tip!!
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EJW- totally understand your point of view. I also respectfully disagree.

Cloth masks and surgical with ear loops are no more effective than proper etiquette of “cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze”. No one is wearing them when exercising or breathing heavy.

These masks/scarves also clearly do not protect the wearer-and this undeniable fact is lost on most people. They also become cesspools of bacteria when constantly touched and reused, and are magnets when moist.

N95 or N100 masks do protect the wearer when used under the strictest of guidelines-which only trained people can do. The irony is these masks are valved for exhalation which makes them useless to protect others-another contradiction lost on the general population. Your surgeon spouse will confirm these observations. This is why we don’t wear masks. But I have no qualm with those that are comforted by the act. And once again my disagreement is with utmost respect.
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EJW- totally understand your point of view. I also respectfully disagree.

Cloth masks and surgical with ear loops are no more effective than proper etiquette of “cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze”. No one is wearing them when exercising or breathing heavy.

These masks/scarves also clearly do not protect the wearer-and this undeniable fact is lost on most people. They also become cesspools of bacteria when constantly touched and reused, and are magnets when moist.

N95 or N100 masks do protect the wearer when used under the strictest of guidelines-which only trained people can do. The irony is these masks are valved for exhalation which makes them useless to protect others-another contradiction lost on the general population. Your surgeon spouse will confirm these observations. This is why we don’t wear masks. But I have no qualm with those that are comforted by the act. And once again my disagreement is with utmost respect.
And you are an expert how? There is just too much misinformation put out today. My decisions come from the REAL experts, scientists, and medical experts that have years of training and have been on the frontlines during the pandemic. Yes, there have been changes in the recommendations. But that is because they are learning new things about how this virus works and how it can mutate. Remember this is new, not something we have had to deal with in the past. I will do whatever is needed to keep myself safe. Everyone has to do what they are comfortable with. However, when their comfort level actions might directly affect me, that's a totally different issue. I have health issues that dictates catching this virus for me could very well be a death sentence and could very well be the result of someone else's carelessness and thoughtlessness. Chuck
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And you are an expert how? There is just too much misinformation put out today. My decisions come from the REAL experts, scientists, and medical experts that have years of training and have been on the frontlines during the pandemic. Yes, there have been changes in the recommendations. But that is because they are learning new things about how this virus works and how it can mutate. Remember this is new, not something we have had to deal with in the past. I will do whatever is needed to keep myself safe. Everyone has to do what they are comfortable with. However, when their comfort level actions might directly affect me, that's a totally different issue. I have health issues that dictates catching this virus for me could very well be a death sentence and could very well be the result of someone else's carelessness and thoughtlessness. Chuck
Ultimately, you are responsible for your health and well being. If you are at extreme risk of a serious or fatal outcome should you contract the virus, you need to take precautions, not rely on everyone else to protect you. It's really not any different than any other aspect of life.
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“Wearing a mask is about protecting your neighbor not necessarily yourself. But, if we do it universally, then we protect each other."
Jade Pagkas-Bather, an infectious disease expert at the University of Chicago


Still haven't said where your information is coming from or what your expertise in this virus is. Chuck
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So.... is this now a Covid-19 thread or is it still "General Discussion"? I can't tell.
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Yup, you have to do a little research and read reviews. Obviously look for the most current reviews. If they only have very old reviews you take your chance of being disappointed.


As for the Covid rules - "Autonomy - the right to self govern" is what we are seeing from those that wear masks and who don't. "I do what I want". Autonomy is everyone's right - however you don't have the right to infect me with your illness. When I am outside and can distance myself I don't wear a mask however when I go into an enclosed space I do wear one. I have been to one restaurant since the pandemic started - just last week for my daughters 40th birthday lunch. The restaurant did a good job of spacing the guests.
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Yup, you have to do a little research and read reviews. Obviously look for the most current reviews. If they only have very old reviews you take take your chance of being disappointed.


As for the Covid rules - "Autonomy - the right to self govern" is what we are seeing from those that wear masks and who don't. "I do what I want". Autonomy is everyone's right - however you don't have the right to infect me with your illness. When I am outside and can distance myself I don't wear a mask however when I go into an enclosed space I do wear one. I have been to one restaurant since the pandemic started - just last week for my daughters 40th birthday lunch. The restaurant did a good job of spacing the guests.
A reasonable approach. Unfortunately, there are those who will chastise you for not wearing a mask even when you are outside and others who will call you a fool for wearing one in public.
Returning to the thread. It is very easy to say you want everyone to behave as you see fit. Expecting that to be the case is much different. The only true actions available should you find yourself in a situation that you feel is not safe or comfortable is to leave. The best way to avoid those situations in an RV setting is to research before you go. And for some people a little self realization might be in order if they truly believe everyone in an RV park is going to wear masks and abide by strict social distancing protocols because that is an unrealistic expectation.
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I am curious, if you were a park owner how would you enforce mask rules, social distancing and the other precautions either mandated or suggested by the various health and government agencies? Keep in mind that an RV park is somewhat different than a storefront. Requiring guests to comply or leave would involve more than just escorting them out of the front door. The guests would have to pack up, hook up and drive off. You would have the issue whether or not to refund their site fees. What if the offenders were children of the guests? From experience, disciplining children who are not yours is fraught with danger. Finally in the case of the original post it appears there may also be alcohol involved which would exponentially increase the chances of escalating an already tense situation. On paper, requiring everyone to be compliant sure looks good. But I am really interested in hearing from someone who has a plan to actually put those requirements into real world practice.
I had to sign (electronically) an agreement to follow the rules. It would be simple to add one stating that violation of mask use in bathrooms and the store would result in being deprived of those amenities. This is off topic, but I am tired of people not following the guidelines posted in stores. Our grocery store has someone at the door. No mask no entrance. I like that.
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There's the problem. "The news media is reporting".
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Seems to be quite a few "Everything and everyone sucks!" posts here lately.


And both were complaining about campgrounds in Pennsylvania! One in the eastern part and this one in the western part. Glad I'm from right in the middle!!
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We also AVOID places that mandate masks. We don’t wear them as the DW is a family Dr and I also am a healthcare provider for over 20 years and we are educated enough in infection control to understand that the masks most wear are not protecting anything except people’s emotions. Most are actually increasing the risk. 15 year Disney Passholders cancelling our passes as we will not be attending parks with facecoverings.
Wow! So glad you're not our doctors!!!
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