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11-27-2021, 08:45 AM
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Nasa is studying earth-saving asteroid deflection with it's latest launch.
When the wormhole-portal is found should we go back and save the dinosaurs from the Chixulub asteroid collision?
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11-27-2021, 09:14 AM
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I firmly believe that the data clearly indicates that climate change is real and caused by humans. I also believe that the data was proven to have been manipulated as there is evidence that proves that manipulation of the data has occurred and this evidence has been around for a very long time. Even those researchers who manipulated the data admit to doing so, with the claim that they manipulated the data in order to make it more accurate. It is interesting that the real data didn't support their claims, but fortunately for them that the manipulated data does support their conclusions.
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11-27-2021, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by craigav
I firmly believe that the data clearly indicates that climate change is real and caused by humans. I also believe that the data was proven to have been manipulated as there is evidence that proves that manipulation of the data has occurred and this evidence has been around for a very long time. Even those researchers who manipulated the data admit to doing so, with the claim that they manipulated the data in order to make it more accurate. It is interesting that the real data didn't support their claims, but fortunately for them that the manipulated data does support their conclusions.
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Data vs real data. For what epoch? 120 years? Interesting.
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11-27-2021, 09:38 AM
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I am a firm believer in climate change.
When I don't like the climate, I change it !
Mike in Colorado
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11-27-2021, 09:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyer15015
I am a firm believer in climate change.
When I don't like the climate, I change it !
Mike in Colorado
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A little dry humor can't hurt.
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11-27-2021, 11:03 AM
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Jayco Owners Club
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Originally Posted by TandW
Data vs real data. For what epoch? 120 years? Interesting.
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I don't know what particular data was manipulated or for what periods, just that the data was manipulated which the climatologist don't deny. I suspect the answer to your question may be hard to find.
For me, I am not really concerned with what data was changed anyway or for what period(s) of time. The answer to that question doesn't really matter for those of us who agree with the following.
“Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either.” Albert Einstein
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11-27-2021, 11:09 AM
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If anyone wants to see how the data is being manipulated to support the global warming narrative go look up the hockey stick graph.
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11-27-2021, 11:14 AM
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OP here. Wow! thanks for weighing in everyone. I didn't expect such passion or variety of thoughts when I posted what I thought was a pretty open minded question.
Since the topic drifted to climate change from burning our fuel hungry Rv's I'll throw my $0.02.
I am not any sort of scientist but it seems to me if you pull trillions of tons of something out of the ground and burn it (year after year) then something gotta change.
Also, I am not a big fan of the worldwide instability the energy sector promotes.
Nonetheless, we do have to live our lives and if traveling is how you want to live it then by all means enjoy!
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11-27-2021, 11:23 AM
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I wish every post showed the poster's age.
That would make it easier to get an idea if these opinions are a sample of a particular age or demographic group, the RV community or the general population.
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11-27-2021, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by tetranz
I wish every post showed the poster's age.
That would make it easier to get an idea if these opinions are a sample of a particular age or demographic group, the RV community or the general population.
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You would find that the young and naive believe in global warming and the old and wise think it's a hoax.
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11-27-2021, 11:34 AM
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Location: Northern California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tetranz
I wish every post showed the poster's age.
That would make it easier to get an idea if these opinions are a sample of a particular age or demographic group, the RV community or the general population.
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This is 100% RVers so obviously representative of the RV community. Additionally, I'll go out on a limb and say a lot of the participants are in motor homes and a lot are on the road a lot longer than the general population's typical vacation. So, I would say no it is not representative of the general population.
I think in general it is hard for folks to consider changes requiring an established lifestyle be turned upside down.
I wish the next dominant species the best of luck!
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11-27-2021, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Ldubs
I wish the next dominant species the best of luck!
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Hopefully they won't be silly enough to pump us out of the ground and burn us for fuel.
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11-27-2021, 11:43 AM
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Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Marion IL/Moore Haven FL
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Originally Posted by ShelbyM
Well OP, it's hard to think of a hobby where you'll find folks less concerned about environmental issues so the response is predictable! Demographics of forum users is a factor as well. Younger and better educated RVers frequent other platforms. Nevertheless, some of us do ponder this. We weigh our personal happiness against our responsibility to the greater world and make our choices. My ego did not compel me to have kids, so that's one huge plus for the environment. My PU and small trailer get about 14mpg. Not great but I go the same places as RVs getting 7mpg, though I may sacrifice some conveniences. My daily driver gets 60+mpg with no compromises. I don't travel by air, I live in a modest sized home and I get as much of my electricity from solar as my utility permits. Etc, etc. So not a poster child for environmental responsibility but not an ostrich either. Best I can do.... Human nature being what it is, I give us another half dozen generations and the last couple won't be pretty.
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Originally Posted by ShelbyM
Looks like it's now up to 99.9% of scientists. https://www.theguardian.com/environm...used-by-humans BTW,these are folks who have the education and mental acuity to actually understand whatever data exist. So yeah, if Bubba still doesn't get it, he's not playing with a full deck. Still plenty of opportunity to debate what can/should be done.
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Have you sufficiently talked down to everyone who doesn't share your point of view now, or will there be more?
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11-27-2021, 12:02 PM
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Newmar Owners Club Entegra Owners Club
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith55
“…I am not any sort of scientist but it seems to me if you pull trillions of tons of something out of the ground and burn it (year after year) then something gotta change…”
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Sure, if you say it that way it sounds ominous. However, context is important. CO2 from all sources is approximately 0.04% of the atmosphere and estimates of what amount of that is caused by human activity is around 5% (0.002%) and of that the US is responsible for about 16%. So the entire US is responsible for 0.0003% of the atmospheric CO2.
The atmosphere is really, really big.
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