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04-15-2020, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by LETMGROW
This is just the type Cavalier attitude which will help spread this disease and not help squelch it.
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Leading causes of death in the United States:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db355.htm
New flash: all living things die, it's how WE choose to live that's the difference. For many, the reality is this virus isn't a large risk, and certainly not one to drastically re-define how we live. If you have risk factors, older, morbidly obese, copd, heart disease, then of course take precautions. For those of us who are not worried, we will continue to enjoy life. I learned a long time ago on the farm to wash my hands frequently and cover my mouth when I coughed. That's just common manners.
Nobody has said locking in will squelch the disease, is being done to extend the time people are afflicted with it to take estimated demand off of medical providers. Much of the research is now on finding antibodies which ONLY happen in people who were infected. An argument could be made the heroic thing is to get infected and provide antibodies for the weaker in society.
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04-15-2020, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Traveler4321
OK, one more vote for martial law. Check.
I have papers, ummm, my mom said it was ok.
Stay in the closet, it will be ok in your world.
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Give your mommy a hug. At least she will love you.
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04-15-2020, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by jimmy braden
Technically, the COUNTRY isnt closed. Specific areas are shutdown based on the decisions of LOCAL officials. You are free to do what you wish within reason.
And even when local officals relax their actions, people wont just go back to the way things were without READILY avail testing. It wont happen. And thats the reality.
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Also decisions made by individuals and businesses without being forced by the state. I'm a subcontractor that works in people's homes and I chose to stop working on March 13th. People still call me to come do some work and I just tell them I'm holding off for a while.
Stores that I deal with have gradually closed down going into people's homes as well, not because they were forced to, but because it was a corporate decision to protect their employees and the public. I know some other stores are still going into people's homes on a very limited basis.
I and they will just continue to weigh the situation, and then start getting back to work when we think it's safer, and with the proper precautions.
I think the big key is more testing, and especially antibody testing. I think I might have been infected in early February but cannot know until I can be tested.
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04-15-2020, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by dbircky
Leading causes of death in the United States:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db355.htm
Nobody has said locking in will squelch the disease, is being done to extend the time people are afflicted with it to take estimated demand off of medical providers. Much of the research is now on finding antibodies which ONLY happen in people who were infected. An argument could be made the heroic thing is to get infected and provide antibodies for the weaker in society.
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bzzttt wrong/
you completely disregarded the cost of the HEALTH CARE aspect - not to mention those employed in HC that are put at risk - of which I have family in that line of work. And they dont even know yet if any immunity is available for it. Thats why more testing and FED involvement is required.
And it Does affect younger
the area of tx I am in has more 40 yr old with the virus than older. And they transfer it..
Enjoy yourself. JUST do it in the middle of the field ace.
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04-15-2020, 12:32 PM
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Well, I'm all in with "The Vet"! When my kids were young, say between 1 and 5 we would visit their grandparents at a minimum every Sunday for an early dinner. Gramps loved to take one or all of the kids outside and just in his words "putter" around with them. If my wife (Ex.!) would object and say no dad he, she, or they have a cold(s), he would just snarl at her, grab the kid(s) and bundle them up and take them outside. His words, "The outdoors is the best thing for them and fresh air and sunshine is what will cure their cold(s)! Words of wisdom from someone that built his own house paycheck to paycheck and was living in it with already 2 of 7 children before all the doors and windows were on it.
To me, I don't need the government to teach me social and personal responsibility. However, that is the norm now in our country as yes, we are moving towards socialism. Many in our government think we can't cross the street without an electric sign and beeper telling you when to cross (of course handicap not included, I get that). No one it appears is responsible for their own actions any more so we need big brother to tell us when to sit and stay, all that's missing is the treat.
Too many folks spend too much time listening too, watching, or, reading the same rhetoric put forth by only a few media outlets that control the vast majority of "the message". Today's health crisis is packaged and presented in a way to make everyone in this country think the sky is falling, and no, like the vet said the Coronavirus isn't falling from the sky either. This just makes you demand more information from the same media outlets.
For those enjoying watching The Crown on Netflix (highly recommended) while they do have more time to do such things, in season 3 there is a very profound moment. In the late 1960s or 1970, there is a very tragic landslide in a coal mining community that could of and should have been prevented. In the direct path of the landside was a school. Over two hundred children perished in the disaster. During a discussion about what kind of response there should be by the national British government to an aide that was a bit naive, the Prime Minister made a point to him that "all decisions are political" when it comes to blaming, cause, responsibility, and how are you going to fix it! This is where we are today with Covid19. Democrats trying hard to blame Trump and the federal response aided by the media, and Trump saying they were ahead of the curve and doing everything they can in their power.
Live your life being respectful and courteous to others and those around you and please take responsility for yourself, don't wait for others to do it for you.
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04-15-2020, 06:14 PM
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ha ha
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Originally Posted by LETMGROW
Give your mommy a hug. At least she will love you.
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My mother loves me. I am the youngest out of 3. I retired 3 years ago at age 53, my brother and sister still have to work. No one gave me anything, I earned it.
Another vote for martial law, check.
Give me the corvid 19, ill take it, and stay home, and when done with it, the only catch is I choose to give plasma to whom I choose to.
I am not afraid of it, and I wont, knowingly, like others, that don't know if they have it, pass it along. I just want it to get over it and get done with it.
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04-15-2020, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Traveler4321
I am not afraid of it, and I wont, knowingly, like others, that don't know if they have it, pass it along. I just want it to get over it and get done with it.
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Here's the point ace, its not JUST YOU that is put at risk. Its others that are CARING for you. and no, you have no ability to say you wont require extended care. Not to mention you have no control who you might expose when you are in HC sherlock.
If you're so brave, just waltz your A* in to a clinic and expose yourself BraveHeart.
We will give a William Wallace tribute when they dig the hole.
SMH
good time to lock this thread.
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04-15-2020, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by vincee
Well, I'm all in with "The Vet"! When my kids were young, say between 1 and 5 we would visit their grandparents at a minimum every Sunday for an early dinner. Gramps loved to take one or all of the kids outside and just in his words "putter" around with them. If my wife (Ex.!) would object and say no dad he, she, or they have a cold(s), he would just snarl at her, grab the kid(s) and bundle them up and take them outside. His words, "The outdoors is the best thing for them and fresh air and sunshine is what will cure their cold(s)! Words of wisdom from someone that built his own house paycheck to paycheck and was living in it with already 2 of 7 children before all the doors and windows were on it.
To me, I don't need the government to teach me social and personal responsibility. However, that is the norm now in our country as yes, we are moving towards socialism. Many in our government think we can't cross the street without an electric sign and beeper telling you when to cross (of course handicap not included, I get that). No one it appears is responsible for their own actions any more so we need big brother to tell us when to sit and stay, all that's missing is the treat.
Too many folks spend too much time listening too, watching, or, reading the same rhetoric put forth by only a few media outlets that control the vast majority of "the message". Today's health crisis is packaged and presented in a way to make everyone in this country think the sky is falling, and no, like the vet said the Coronavirus isn't falling from the sky either. This just makes you demand more information from the same media outlets.
For those enjoying watching The Crown on Netflix (highly recommended) while they do have more time to do such things, in season 3 there is a very profound moment. In the late 1960s or 1970, there is a very tragic landslide in a coal mining community that could of and should have been prevented. In the direct path of the landside was a school. Over two hundred children perished in the disaster. During a discussion about what kind of response there should be by the national British government to an aide that was a bit naive, the Prime Minister made a point to him that "all decisions are political" when it comes to blaming, cause, responsibility, and how are you going to fix it! This is where we are today with Covid19. Democrats trying hard to blame Trump and the federal response aided by the media, and Trump saying they were ahead of the curve and doing everything they can in their power.
Live your life being respectful and courteous to others and those around you and please take responsility for yourself, don't wait for others to do it for you.
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good post and common sense
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Originally Posted by Traveler4321
My mother loves me. I am the youngest out of 3. I retired 3 years ago at age 53, my brother and sister still have to work. No one gave me anything, I earned it.
Another vote for martial law, check.
Give me the corvid 19, ill take it, and stay home, and when done with it, the only catch is I choose to give plasma to whom I choose to.
I am not afraid of it, and I wont, knowingly, like others, that don't know if they have it, pass it along. I just want it to get over it and get done with it.
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martial law really, sorry I don't live in that country
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04-15-2020, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by tap4154
Here's an interesting article about if we had implemented stayed home orders two weeks earlier. They say 90% less death.
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Is that 90% less than the original projections of 1.2 to 2.2 million US deaths, the next projection of a half million deaths, the next projection of 100k to 220k deaths or the next projection of 60k deaths? Math is hard, especially if it involves WAGs with a potential political bias.
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04-16-2020, 05:45 AM
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Not sure what your point is. Is it since all models are wrong we shouldn't listen to them? Or is it since all models are wrong we should listen to them?
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04-16-2020, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Jlo11111
Not sure what your point is. Is it since all models are wrong we shouldn't listen to them? Or is it since all models are wrong we should listen to them?
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ah, you didnt see me imply either is wrong. in fact, if you actually look at the CURRENT DATA ( which is why I TYPED, the models changed as the data came in - SMH), it matches the projections quite consistently. To be specific, the number of deaths (which is kinda the real deal breaker - was almost exactly on the value AND date that was projected). The point was, the models were revised bc there had never been an event like this and the data coming from .cn was not reliable. so there were large margins of error. That was reduced as more countries (like italy and Spain) provided reliable data.
Now, you wanna pick it up from there?
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04-16-2020, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by FatChance
I am really loving the recent common sense posts in this thread. The situation and requirements in the large metropolises in our country are totally different than in most rural areas. Common sense in both places is necessary, though not necessarily the same.
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Very true and will get some upset soon
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04-16-2020, 08:09 AM
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Sorry, I don't put to much stock into anything the NY Times or Washington Post publish. I read the Times article when it came out and it was a huge article written for the sole purpose of pointing blame at the Administration. I'm no journalist, thank god, and didn't finish college, but, I could have written that article in one sentence: If we would have undertaken all of the recommended health and social guidelines earlier, we could have save countless lives. [Mod Edit]. If I knew Viagra was going to be such a hit prescription drug, I would have mortgaged the house to put into Pfizer stock.
The balance of the long Times article is Blame. That my friends isn't going to help us one iota in getting us any closer to camping sooner, going out for dinner to celebrate a birthday or anniversary, have a beer with your neighbor, go to ball games, etc..
And, in regards to the conversation about math, again I refer back to the post with the excellent letter from the "Vet" were in his opinion its not a math problem, it's a biology problem, I agree. I would add IMHO too that I believe there is an underlying socioeconomic equation to this story also that is not being adequately reported on.
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