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Old 09-10-2020, 08:24 AM   #1
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Smoke Birds - West burning

They say many people move south in the winter (Snow Birds), well I wonder how many people move east (Smoke birds) in the summer to avoid the smoke especially from California and I must add Oregon too as the coastal mountains erupt in fire.

Satellite images show how massive the smoke is. Even Nevada is feeling the affects.

In many areas the smoke is so thick visibility is like driving in fog. Ash rains down and there is no escape unless you leave the area.

This event happens every year and this year is breaking records.

California has now closed all national forest lands due to the fires.
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I have lived on the Oregon coast 15 years now and we have had smoke 2 times and a fire as close as 25 miles 1 time and 50 miles away 1 time. And a few small fires put out quickly. We need to realize in the west we do not need camp fires, fireworks, equipment like chain saws mowers and like during summer.
I fear with the increase in the un-homed that we face a huge challenge.
The air on the coast is usually pretty clean unless we see wind from inland in the summer and that happens rarely.
I will say our state has been a [Mod Edit] this year. Good Bye 2020.
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Were just west of Salem. 3 days of smoke 2 high winds. Right now my only excape route is north maybe? This morning calm winds so the smoke layer is ground level and thick enough you cut it with a dull knife. Pray for the fire fighters. This fire storm is about the worst ever.
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Calif smoke is here in northern Nevada....have a weather alert again today for it....
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You don't think the fires will be out before snowbird season begins?
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I live just South of Yosemite very close to the creek fire. This morning the visibility is about 1/8 mile.
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You don't think the fires will be out before snowbird season begins?
The existing fires may be out, but new ones could easily start. Fire season is now a 12 month event in the west, including Canada and Alaska.
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This is not a normal year in California. The fires are not trivial, but normally they burn for a few weeks and are then contained. They are worse in some years than others. However, this is the first year that we have been surrounded by multiple fires and seen so many big fires across the state.

So, no - I don't think we are going to see smoke birds. Can't imagine leaving home and going on a trip while having to worry about the fate of the home base.

I do wonder how we get a better handle on reducing and fighting wild fires. More fire breaks. Strategic control burn areas. Defensible space around towns and rural homes. Major sprinkler systems. What exactly stops a 100 ft high wall of fire? This week some folks died. It's not just a smoke gets in your eyes problem.
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Heres a photo of the most recent map Ive seen.
5 million acres burned, 3 million in California

As said above, fire season is now a 12 month event.
And many Campgrounds may not re-open anytime soon.
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Yesterday and today Sedona was in a haze from the fires. It doesn't smell like smoke but the sun, when you can see it at all, is an orange ball and the sky looks whitish. And although AZ has some fires going on, none is close to us. I assume this is from the west coast.
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Here's a good site for seeing what the air quality is near you. Take a look at California, Oregon, Washington! Many numbers in the Hazardous category - above 400+!!

Our daughter went to the ER last night. She has asthma and her bronchial tube and bronchi were so swollen they thought she had a pulmonary embolism. After 7 hr. and a CT scan sent her home with oral steroids and a HEPA filter. She's in Sausalito, CA at San Francisco. The numbers there were 200+ yesterday. She has stayed inside since fires began.

No one should be thinking of unnecessary touring of CA, OR, WA right now. The emergency personnel, those fighting the fires and the families who lost everything need the campgrounds, hotels and roads.

The smoke is into Arizona.

https://www.airnow.gov/state/?name=california
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I am born and raised in Washington since 1947. I have never seen so much smoke around here, EVER. We have fires burning on the East side of the Cascades, and we had a few locally East of Tacoma. Now the wind is sending Oregons smoke our way. Today seems slightly better, not much. You can smell the smoke BIG time. The whole West side of the state is under health watches of different natures, lungs, heart, etc.
Suppose to start getting a little rain late Sunday, Oregon as well, hopefully Northern Cal. Those folks in Cal have had it bad now for some time and it looks to be an ALL year thing from now on, like one said. I hope and pray for the good people in California. Good Luck.
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Here on CA central coast area the past week was like living on Mars. Everything had a red hue to it. When the sun did shine thru it looked like a red spot light shining. Today is the 1st time it looked normal, with clear and normal colored sunlight.

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This is not a normal year in California. The fires are not trivial, but normally they burn for a few weeks and are then contained. They are worse in some years than others. However, this is the first year that we have been surrounded by multiple fires and seen so many big fires across the state.

So, no - I don't think we are going to see smoke birds. Can't imagine leaving home and going on a trip while having to worry about the fate of the home base.

I do wonder how we get a better handle on reducing and fighting wild fires. More fire breaks. Strategic control burn areas. Defensible space around towns and rural homes. Major sprinkler systems. What exactly stops a 100 ft high wall of fire? This week some folks died. It's not just a smoke gets in your eyes problem.
From what I see most of these fires were spread at the tree top level with 60 mph winds - how do you prevent that? Used to be all the ground covering.
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