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Old 03-17-2023, 01:08 PM   #1
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Space Invaders, BLM Edition

I've been going out to Arizona since I was a baby. I've always loved this state and have rarely had any issues with Arizonians. I plan on being one in the near future. I was camping on the BLM land off Plumosa Rd. near Quartzsite Arizona. I had been there for a week, and it was wonderful. Everyone was nicely spaced at least 100 yards apart. It wasn't crowded, there was plenty of space so I didn't go out as far as I usually do when camping in BLM areas. When I go camping with just me and the dog, I like quiet, so I stay away from other people's campsites. Besides, it's just good camp etiquette.

Two toy haulers pulled right next to me, less than 50' away. Entire desert to park. They are talking about if the rest of the group can fit here. That's when I asked them if they were really planning on camping 50' from someone they don't know with all this open desert. Dude responded with "yes". I said that was very inconsiderate. They started in that I was the problem because I'm from California, because Arizona people get along. I said it's because they have the room, and why on earth would you chose to park right next to someone when you can just go 200' in either direction and not bother anyone. The way one guy was parking, we would be looking at each other through the RV windows.

One of the things the guy said was very telling about his personality. He said it right away when I asked him if they could move a little further away than 50'. He said "That's what happens here", like it was their common practice to force their will upon others. I replied at the time that I've been camping around here for 20 years and this is the first issue of this kind. I think they are also the type of people who when called out on something they know is wrong, double down instead of admitting any wrongdoing. We have those in California, but mostly in politics and colleges. I had actually started trying to deescalate the situation. I took a few steps closer to them so I could speak normally and said I may have overreacted a little, and I was sorry, but they had to see I was right. The guy kept saying "Don't, we're leaving" like he was getting scared or worried. I quickly gave up since they were leaving.

They moved several hundred yards away to a wide-open area with no one around, and soon after I saw them placing traffic cones in a 200' circle to claim their piece of the desert. I guess they want their space, but don't care about other people. I try to be aware of others pretty much all the time. I know there a lot of people who go out to the desert to camp by themselves and not be bothered by humanity for a few days. I guess there are entire groups that just don't care about others at all. Never seen anything like it out there.


It doesn't look so close in the picture, but it's about 25' to the last Bush in the picture, so they were less than 50' away.
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Old 03-17-2023, 02:06 PM   #2
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Good for you sticking up for what is right.



It's not only when you are camping.



We have a neighbor who has had run in with almost every house on our road and has physically threatened me. I would not back down and had the sheriff come out 3 times. He ended up getting a citation and court date, found guilty with a fine.

But I didn't back down and smile every time I drive past him as he is giving me the finger.
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Old 03-17-2023, 02:23 PM   #3
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Walk into a mens restroom ...nobody around
Go to the Far end urinal.
Next guy in will come and use the urinal right next to you

It's called 'Herd Mentality'

Right or wrong?
It's open land for all to use......even the jerks


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I had actually started trying to deescalate the situation. I took a few steps closer to them so I could speak normally and said I may have overreacted a little, and I was sorry, but they had to see I was right.
That doesn't sound like a deescalating gesture.....but they did move.
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Happens sometimes - once at Denali after Labor Day, cg virtually empty, a truck and fifth wheel pull in and set up right next to my tent (motorcycle trip that time) and proceed to fire up a construction type generator, naturally with the exhaust pointed right at my tent. Similar thing happened a few years ago in Death Valley, RV set up at Stovepipe Wells, Sunday so a lot people leaving, plenty of empty spots. I went for a Jeep ride and upon my return find a MH parked right next to me with his generator running and the exhaust pointed right at my RVs door. I don't think these people are intentionally being obnoxious, it just doesn't occur to them that there are other people in the world. I moved both times to get away from them, just don't care to waste time conversing with idiots.
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A couple of time we had people pull in fairly close, not that close, but closer than I expect in a large open area. At first it bothered me, but I wondered if some of it wasn't because they felt more comfortable being "near" another camper. I know when we first started boondocking it felt weird being alone, but we quickly discovered we loved the solitude. Maybe some people feel better with someone nearby. Dunno.

Clearly the OP's situation was different, and it sounds like he ran into a jerk. I've been expecting it more with the huge explosion in RVing, but so far, nothing like the story above has happened to us - thankfully.

While I might be stubborn and stand my ground in a similar situation, it's just as likely, I'd pull in my slide, and go find a different spot. I try to take the viewpoint that I don't want to waste any of my time on a jerk that I'll never see again. Even a few moments dealing with someone like that is time wasted. The tendency is to engage, and all that does is get me wound up, and I find turning around, walking off, leaves me feeling much better. The sooner I can disengage, the sooner I get back to enjoying my life. It doesn't matter how they react or what they say, I'm done with the engagement. Jerks are a waste of my breath and time. This is just my style. Nothing wrong with other people wanting to handle it differently.
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I've experienced "herd mentality" before, but this wasn't that. I've actually met a few nice people who were new to the outdoors and close campers. Ended up sharing campfires with them.

I've also experienced jerks while camping. It used to be they were mostly kids who didn't know any better riding close to RV's and other camps, but I think some of those kids grew up to be jerk grown-ups. He already had another rig with him, and more showed up later in the day and the next day. They had a group of 8-10 rigs. They were just a couple of Jerks. I saw them the next day ripping through the camping area in side by sides, an area where most people drive slowly so not to kick up dust.
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Happens when camping on the beach fairly often. Pretty much everyone parks the same distance from the water so no oneís view is disrupted, then here comes a truck pulls closer than everyone else and sometimes will even angle in right between where we have our canopy set up and the water. They are sometimes bullies plain and simple, other times just completely oblivious.
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In sociology they teach that people arenít born knowing the norms & mores of society Ö how to act Ö but that people learn acceptable ways to act through being embarrassed or called out Ö through this they learn

The proper etiquette for the BLM land in question could be different from that in say florida

Itís easy to assume they have poor values but hopefully this specific area was new to them and henceforth they will respect the accepted practices

Ö. Common sense isnít always so common Ö
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In sociology they teach that people arenít born knowing the norms & mores of society Ö how to act Ö but that people learn acceptable ways to act through being embarrassed or called out Ö through this they learn

The proper etiquette for the BLM land in question could be different from that in say florida

Itís easy to assume they have poor values but hopefully this specific area was new to them and henceforth they will respect the accepted practices

Ö. Common sense isnít always so common Ö
Interesting opinion. We watch a fair amount of home building HGTV stuff. I always find it odd that in some places people have wide open backyards with no fences. Zero privacy. Here where I live everyone has fences.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.
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Interesting opinion. We watch a fair amount of home building HGTV stuff. I always find it odd that in some places people have wide open backyards with no fences. Zero privacy. Here where I live everyone has fences.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Good fences make good neighbors. Back when people in town had a front porch neighbors were more friendly/neighborly.


as to bkennedy's situation, that scenario sounds like the me generation moving in hard at work.
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No no just no.....your supposed to follow the the urinal training test cartoon
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Walk into a mens restroom ...nobody around
Go to the Far end urinal.
Next guy in will come and use the urinal right next to you

It's called 'Herd Mentality'

Right or wrong?
It's open land for all to use......even the jerks


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I had actually started trying to deescalate the situation. I took a few steps closer to them so I could speak normally and said I may have overreacted a little, and I was sorry, but they had to see I was right.
That doesn't sound like a deescalating gesture.....but they did move.
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It's the same sort of person who sets up the bright lights or loud music outside and then says that he doesn't need to follow "your rules".

No, son, you should be following society's rules. And this is one of them.
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Record a barking dog/s people looking to squeeze in play on stereo might think na.... Or duelling banjos lol Come out in robe all cousin Eddie ,using a 2 stroke leaf blower mix oil 16 to 1.
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