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09-10-2018, 06:17 AM
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#113
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Stafford Springs, CT
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I think people need to realize that the border is what secures a nation from outside forces. That goes for the U.S. and Canada. Both are separate countries with their own laws and you can't expect your home laws to apply where ever you go. Securing the border means you get questioned and the officer is given access to information to help him do his job.
When you show up at the border and ask permission to enter the other country, the officer doesn't know you from a tourist or someone looking to do harm to their country or illegal human trafficking. So they are going to use the tools at their disposal to ask questions and make a determination.
I don't what people are expecting - maybe just say "Hi my name is Joe Smith" and be let in? If that's the case then every terrorist or bad guy would just do that. If you support strong borders, this is what it looks like. It might take a couple of minutes but I don't want to consider the alternative.
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09-10-2018, 07:49 AM
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#114
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Join Date: Dec 2017
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That doesn’t seem to apply coming in to the U.S. The government lets them in hoping to get a vote and the citizens pay the price.
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09-10-2018, 08:18 AM
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#115
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Senior Member
Tiffin Owners Club
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Newport, VT I91 near Canada
Posts: 126
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Originally Posted by Pigman1
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Matches my experience to a T. I am convinced both CWP and gun ownership are on Canada customs computer by name. If illegal for US govt to retain info, why give info to Canada?
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09-10-2018, 10:46 AM
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#116
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Senior Member
Winnebago Owners Club
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 14,885
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grn_Mtn_Boy
Matches my experience to a T. I am convinced both CWP and gun ownership are on Canada customs computer by name. If illegal for US govt to retain info, why give info to Canada?
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Some of this should be no different than listing a drivers license and the qualifications on that license.
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09-10-2018, 11:58 AM
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#117
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Stafford Springs, CT
Posts: 373
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grn_Mtn_Boy
Matches my experience to a T. I am convinced both CWP and gun ownership are on Canada customs computer by name. If illegal for US govt to retain info, why give info to Canada?
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You do realize that Canada is a separate country? Something that is illegal in the U.S. can be perfectly legal there. Canada has strict anti-gun laws - they are just enforcing their laws. I don't like them and would fight like heck against them in the U.S. but it's their country.
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09-10-2018, 03:17 PM
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#118
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Junior Member
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 13
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Thankless?
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Originally Posted by wnytaxman
Customs agents can go all over the board. Some will be really cool and some will be total jackrabbits. Be nice, be polite, smile, but don't sneer and answer their questions honestly. Most are good people just doing a rather thankless job.
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When you say "thankless"....you mean OTHER than the $80K per year they're making, right? :-)
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09-10-2018, 03:59 PM
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#119
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Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 746
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Originally Posted by Art A
The US has been sharing various government data bases with Canadian Border people for a while now. The FBI National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database is the big one. It gives them your criminal history, firearms you've registered, even if you've ever attempted suicide. Do a little googling and you'll be surprised just how much info a Canadian Border guard has on US citizens.
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There is no registration of firearms in the US.
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09-10-2018, 04:05 PM
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#120
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Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 746
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grn_Mtn_Boy
Matches my experience to a T. I am convinced both CWP and gun ownership are on Canada customs computer by name. If illegal for US govt to retain info, why give info to Canada?
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Nope. There are no lists of gun ownership in the US. And while some states might share lists of CWP owners, as I noted earlier I am sure Idaho does not.
There is also no list of gun purchasers. Gun purchase forms are retained by the seller. There are ple ty in the US who would like to change that but so far the NRA has had our backs.
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09-10-2018, 04:10 PM
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#121
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Join Date: Aug 2017
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Originally Posted by Pigman1
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Can’t access it. You arguing against the Idaho law?
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09-10-2018, 04:22 PM
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#122
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryinID
There is no registration of firearms in the US.
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Found I am somewhat wrong on that. There is no national registration of gun ownership in the US. But six states require all or some types of guns to be registered. You’d have to check to see if your state does, and if they share the list. My state does not and will not unless we get totally Californicated. Although the trend is bad I won’t live to see that happen in Idaho.
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09-10-2018, 09:01 PM
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#123
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Join Date: Oct 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MapleKing
You do realize that Canada is a separate country? Something that is illegal in the U.S. can be perfectly legal there. Canada has strict anti-gun laws - they are just enforcing their laws. I don't like them and would fight like heck against them in the U.S. but it's their country.
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States also have different laws, you don't see border checks to enforce those laws! Someone mentioned bad people/terrorist getting into our country, like all the people in the US are good people?? I'm all for open borders.
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09-10-2018, 09:31 PM
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#124
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Sodus Point NY-Lake Henry Florida
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For decades we traveled several times a year to Canada both tent camping and adult weekend getaways. After a time, we chose to not bother with the border hassle any longer, the USA has plenty for us to enjoy. I might add, the US customs were generally not as user friendly as the Canadians.
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09-11-2018, 03:04 AM
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#125
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Junior Member
Monaco Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Union City, Ca
Posts: 21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryinID
There is no registration of firearms in the US.
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All sales of firearms by licensed dealers are reported to ATF. (Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms) Also, NCIC has extensive firearms records for various law enforcement related activities. If someone has purchased a firearm from a licensed dealer, they are in one or both of those databases. It might not be called, "Registration" per se, but our government has that information and so does anyone with access to those systems....such as Canadian border guards.
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09-11-2018, 04:32 AM
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#126
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Stafford Springs, CT
Posts: 373
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Quote:
Originally Posted by grindstone01
States also have different laws, you don't see border checks to enforce those laws! Someone mentioned bad people/terrorist getting into our country, like all the people in the US are good people?? I'm all for open borders.
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There's a difference between a state border and an international border.
If you're for open borders, can you point to one other country that has open borders or has in the past and it has worked? Besides, I'm sure you're OK with someone coming onto your land and setting up camp since the borders of your property mean nothing.
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