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Chickadee · 11-14-2009, 07:43 AM

Gary: (Re: post #10 above)....Never said anything about "IGNORING"

Steve

read & learn · 11-14-2009, 08:47 AM

As I read the different responses I really understand what is happening. As a former member of the tent/small travel trailer the DW and myself would go away with the kids for a "camping trip". What was a camping trip 30/40 years ago. It was a time we would go to a Camp Ground not that far away, but far enough that the kids could meet up with friends they met on past trips.
The group would have a great time and play [and fight] with each other all day. At night we would have a camp fire at some ones trailer and the kids would even cook supper over the open fire. When it got dark they would make smores and tell scary stories. Yes they made a lot of noise, but no one cared as it was our kids.
Then came the small Motor Homes some with less room then our trailers, but nothing changed as the MH people were the people we were camping with in the past.
Well about 15/20 years ago larger MH started to get built along with slide outs WOW now I had 250 sq ft on living space still every one still got along.
Today RVs come in all sizes and shapes. They cost anywhere from a couple of thousand for a used one to a Millions of dollars.
Now we have a large group of folks who have made their MH [size and cost does not matter] home for a large part of the year or even Full Time. Many of us no longer have small children traveling with us and for some unknown reason start to get upset when young kids start running around the camp ground. This fear of younger kids is not new to the world it has been going on in this Country for years.
We have all type of housing developments for 55+, senior citizen housing 55+ and we have 55+ RV resorts. Grand Kids can visit for any where from a few hours up to 1 week with permission from the office.
Now my question is which group are the special people? The group that has young ones and are having a great time with their family that bend the rules by having fun. The group that sits in their RV and says look at those kids running all over the CG with no one caring what they are doing. Or is it the over 55+ group that feels if they go some where everyone must confrom to their rules.
One more thing. I am one of the over 55+ group that sits outside watching those wonderful kids and their parents having a great time and thing about the good time that the DW and I will have comes the summer when the Grand Kids travel with us.

Gary - K7GLD · 11-14-2009, 11:59 AM

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Now my question is which group are the special people? The group that has young ones and are having a great time with their family that bend the rules by having fun.... Or is it the over 55+ group that feels if they go some where everyone must confrom to their rules.

That one is easy!

First off, it's NOT the "over 55 crowd's" rules - it's the CG/PARK rules established to apply equally to ALL campers, young AND old!

It also openly reveals the mindset of those feeling THEY are the "special" ones, and should be free of rules that clash with THEIR wants and desires, so THEY can enjoy THEIR "great time", regardless of how it impacts those others around them who object to non-comformance to clearly posted rules of CG behavior - the group that feels the need, "right" or compulsion to IGNORE the same set of clearly posted and established CG or park rules that all others are abiding by, THEY are the ones operating under the "WE'RE special" attitude.

It's NOT about what camping was to YOU - and your own circle of friends in past times - it IS about what is in place NOW - and at the places you and your friends choose to camp in - and in some cases, infect!

CG/Park Rules ARE rules, and established for a purpose - just because you and/or your group prefers different or looser ones from an earlier time and/or place, does NOT automatically over-ride those current rules and make all others around you fair game for whichever of the rules YOU choose or prefer to ignore - for YOUR personal version of a "great time".

And THAT, is EXACTLY the basis for this thread, this discussion - the focus upon expectations and demands of the non-conforming Rvers and campers to IGNORE or bend the rules others follow, so that THEY are free to enjoy THEIR own version of a "great time", regardless of how their actions impact others around them who are also hoping and expecting to enjoy THEIRS!

SURE, some say that older RVers disliking other RVer's pets and kids, should seek out CGs that prohibit those distractions, or in some cases, MOVE their RV to another spot in the CG - or leave completely to some other park more suitable to them - BUT, that advice goes BOTH ways, and those WITH pets and kids can ALSO seek out CGs that cater to THEM - or, at the minimum, in cases where BOTH groups share the same facilities, recognize and observe the rules that are purposely PROVIDED just so BOTH groups function under the same guarantees and protections!

NO, the older crowd is not "special" - and rarely ask to be treated as such - it seems FAR more common that it's those with the uncontrolled kids and pets, that consider THEIR wants and preferences as "special", outside the rules - and subsequently expect, if not DEMAND, that the rules be bent or eliminated for them, their pleasure - for their "great time", regardless of how that impacts others around them!

read & learn · 11-14-2009, 04:03 PM

Gary, I really think if you have this much anger to any group in a camp ground than you must do something about it by making a complain to the management at that camp ground and if they do nothing, go to the RV camp ground review areas and let all of our fellow CAMPERS know which Camp Grounds do little or nothing and let rules be bend or broken for just a small few.
Venting here on iRV2 to just a small group of RVers and without naming all these Camp Ground that allow these "special people" to do anything they want is not good.
For us as a group we have to know which campgrounds are the biggest benders of their own rules, so we can avoid them or if we do go to one of them be ready to make our feelings known when our peace and quiet is abused.
Oh, by the way I think the biggest abusers are the newbee's that never Camped before and now expect that they be cratered to and cut thru my RV site and yell at kids when they go to a pool that they are making to much noise or it dark why are those kids still outside at that big fire.
Than again they do call most of this type of camp grounds "FAMILY CAMP GROUNDS".
That should give some one who gets upset with uncontrolled kids to avoid that type of camp ground.

Gary - K7GLD · 11-14-2009, 05:09 PM

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Than again they do call most of this type of camp grounds "FAMILY CAMP GROUNDS".
That should give some one who gets upset with uncontrolled kids to avoid that type of camp ground.

The above STILL avoids what is intended as the actual basis for this thread - which is NOT necessarily about kids - OR pets, specifically - shucks we have had both kids and dogs most of our camping/RVing lives - and had a "great time" doing it! BUT, both kids AND pets were taught early on that they were expected to observe the CG rules, and rights of all those around us - and they DID so!

What I steadily hammer away at - and a few equally steadily try to avoid, is refusal/avoidance/denial of common CG/Park rules meant for ALL to observe, regardless of age, family, or ownership of pets - just to name a couple most often abused. IF a specific CG's rules are open to free-running pets and kids, generators and stereos at full volume 24/7, that's FINE - for those wanting that environment - and *I* will gladly pass those on by as I search for one a few decibels lower in volume...

Sure, it's about now that feathers start getting ruffled, tempers flare up, and the varying subtle insults get flowing - NOT my purpose or goal, because I value this group and what it has to offer - but rather, an attempt to stimulate a reasonably calm discussion that, if possible covers the basic aspects of what more than a few view and have expressed as a growing problem...

NO, I'm not the least angry, NOR am I trying to anger anyone else - just trying to focus a bit of light into a dark corner, and increase awareness on a sensitive area of the lifestyle I too am interested in enjoying and preserving...

CHEERS to all!

melvonnar · 11-14-2009, 06:01 PM

And the next one on the soap box will be---------------------------------

read & learn · 11-14-2009, 06:34 PM

Now that we have said a lot of nothing about special groups that cause the problems, the bottom line is not the kids-dog owners-parents-the 55+ group it is the campgrounds themselves for not enforcing their own rules and regulations.
EX:5th wheel comes into the campground with 2 large dogs, CG says ok. That night just before it gets dark owners take their dogs for a walk. Neighbor walking her small dog when her dog starts to bark at one of the large dogs, one of the large dogs went over to the small dog [was less than a leach away] and started doing what dogs do smelling one another. Next day as soon as office opened women made a complain that her and her dog was attacked and that her dog was in heat. Why in the world would you walk a dog near other dogs when it is in heat?
Manager went over to the large dog owners and told them they had 30 minutes to leave the park, never asked their side of the story. The outcome was the large dog owners explained what happen and said the would gladly go over the other person with their story which they did and the truth came out that nothing happen but she is afraid of big dogs. The small dog owner also happen to be a seasonal camper at this camp ground.
Now the camp ground changed the rules on dogs no larger than 10 pounds.
Both of the large dogs happen to be therapy dogs.
Yes it keeps comimg back to Special Groups, but it is the owners and staff that does not enforce their own rules so lets just blame the right special ones for not doing their job. Some of them care only about one thing and that is money.

read & learn · 11-14-2009, 06:39 PM

robert h every now and then guys like myself find a few brain cells that have come to life and if you don't get up on the soap box right than and there it may not come back for a few weeks.

Gary - K7GLD · 11-14-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by read & learn

robert h every now and then guys like myself find a few brain cells that have come to life and if you don't get up on the soap box right than and there it may not come back for a few weeks.

BT,DT!

Story of my life!

ischua · 11-14-2009, 10:06 PM

In my limited CG experience most people aren't ignoring the rules they just haven't read them or explained them to their kids. If the CGs made you read AND understand their rules before letting you in there might be less problems. Some will learn but still a few won't get whats expected of them Also the older I get the less tolerance I have for those that I think should know better

melvonnar · 11-15-2009, 07:56 AM

The 6 foot leash rule is one of the most abused rules in all the parks.
the 30 foot reely, is not a 6 foot leash.

mythplaced · 11-15-2009, 11:50 AM

We are "campers" not "Full" or "Part" timers.

You will not have to deal with me or mine in a "RV Park",

You will almost always find us in a "wilderness area" away from others typicalli in Natl and State Parks,

we don't have "animal children:,
but do have three very "typical" 6,4,& 2 yr old grandchildren. (loud and dirty, and sometimes breaking all the rules)
Only run the generator to charge the batteries,
don't dump sewage anywhere other than a dump station, and
DO enjoy a good time around the campfire, sometimes into the "wee hours"...

THis is what RV is to us, and if that makes us "special" then I ask....Can I ride in the "short Bus"?

sharbra · 11-15-2009, 11:09 PM

I think as the opening poster pointed out, a lack of consideration and courtesy to others. There are those who are so involved in their own world, that they have no concern, consideration or courtesy toward others. Unfortunately they hand down their bad behaviors and actions to their children who then hand it down to their children and so forth. No matter what aspect of your life you come across those "special" people, they leave a bad impression of the segment of society that they represent.

randco · 11-16-2009, 05:53 AM

As long as there are rules, there will be those that bend and break them. It doesn't matter if the rules are for camping, walking down the street or driving a vehicle. As mythplace said, "There were a group of individuals at the end of the 18th Cetury that did not want to play by the rules, so they formed their own nationThe USADon't forget, this nation was founded by a group of radical dissidents who would not tolerate the status quo, and started a revolution to make change happen.... "People are what they are. I guess the OP must be god like and has never broken a rule his or herself. For me, life is about making progress not to make it perfect.