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Old 05-05-2013, 06:58 PM   #29
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PreDelivery Inspection, this is where the dealer goes through all the systems on your coach showing you how they work and that they do in fact work. Should be done before final purchase.
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PDI is Pre Delivery Inspection.

This inspection is typically performed by a competent person knowledgable in RV systems.

I have attached one of the many versions of a PDI form.
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Would you please tell me what a PDI is,we would like to check on the class a motorhome we just bought. Some things just don't seem right. This is our first time to own a motorhome. We bought a 2004 Rexhall Roseaire 41' got a great deal.
A PDI is the "pre delivery inspection." Normally done by the dealership or RV tech before the unit is delivered. In some cases, the buyer participates in the inspection process.
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When anyone buys a vehicle as-is with no expressed warranty, it is what it is, "Buyer Beware".

Is it ethical or right as to what they did, no, but they have your money and you have the merchandise.

This should be a warning to anyone who is reading this. If you personally feel incompetent to fully inspect the vehicle, get a certified professional inspection performed and then at the least you will have a vast majority of the vehicle inspected with confidence. That doesn't mean that it is 100% but they are experienced enough to cover more than the basics. They certainly can't tear the thing apart completely.

I am sorry that you have been taken advantaged of and I would suggest that you submit your opinions and reviews of this company to as many Internet web sites that you can find to spread the word and about their reputation.

However, some of the responsibility lies with you in not performing a thorough inspection before handing over all of your hard earned money.

I have purchased two different second hand motor-homes. The first one I spent almost two days going through the entire motor-home. The second one was only about a year and a half old so it only took me one day to go through that entire coach.

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Old 05-05-2013, 07:52 PM   #33
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It may interest everyone to know that according to the O.P.'s posts on other Forums, the RV in question is a 1998 Coachmen Leprechaun with 56,000 miles on it which she bought sight unseen last spring for $11,000.00. (Well below even low blue book). Where can you buy anything that rolls for $11,000.00, let alone something with perfect rubber, brakes, and roof????

The transaction took place almost a year ago, and since they're about to go on the road they took it in for a look-see at an entirely unrelated RV place. That place wants to sell them a bunch of services. No surprise there...

What any of this has to do with the poor schmos that sold it eleven months ago I fail to grasp, especially given the time lapsed, the lack of research that went into the transaction, and the casual "inspection" done at the time of pickup, which was of course the first time anyone actually laid eyes on the rig: (here quoting from post # 59 at the link below )

I found it on line at Campers Inn and made the deal and then my husband flew up and he was told it was fine. Apparently he did not look at the tires close enough as on quick glance, they look good. He did mention the brakes and they told him it was because it was an RV.
As for the "Salvage Title"- who knows the truth of that one? The O.P. says there's no such language on the Florida State Title, and the dealer says they checked it out beforehand. The only "evidence" is a supposed appearance on an online list, which itself warns that it must be checked against State records.

The whole (original) story can be found at This Forest River Forums Page
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ok i did alot of salvage cars in FL so here some things to knwo
if the RV is a total loss/salvage it can only be sold to some one in FL or to a state that has the same laws for a rebuilt title if your state is not one well WOW
too in righting they much tell you and make you sign a paper so you know it is rebuilt

3 there is a sticker some where on the drive side saying its rebuilt if there is not they did not do the paper work right / fees and should not be on the road or they pulled it off so you would not know with out it well its just WOW

4 your title well say rebuilt title on it if you have it
there is a DMV in tampa that the RV had to go too
this DMV is only for that type of title so only call them
make sure theres not sicker 3in long 1/2 wide with vin and Info on it that says REBUILT on it had not to see when you do find it
make sure you did not sign a paper you did not know about
tell them after you made sure of every thing tell them whats going on
talk title only tires are nuthing to them

5 there are too types of title loss/salvage
salvage can be put back on the road
loss can NOT and has to go to the junk yard for parts only

a call to them well get a fire under them fast
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O forgot to add vehicle as-is with no expressed warranty dos not go over the law of the paper telling you it was rebuilt

every one or 3 out of the 4 4 being my RV i have now is all so under this you have to get in righting that the guy buying the car knows what it is
ITS the law for rebuilt title here in FL and its a paper we all so have to sign when at the DMV when getting the rebuilt title for the first time

sorry for spelling errs
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Being a recent 1st time buyer who also bought from Campers Inn I see several things in the posts here and the other web site.

Many expect a new first time buyer to know what to look for. I wish my departed father-in-law was around to point out things when I bought. He had 40 years of experience with camping and RVs.

Campers Inn has a very good sales model. You are welcomed, provided snacks, tours and lots of friendly conversation. They work hard to build your confidence.
This confidence building works to make the salesmen believable as well as the advice from their maintenance supervisor. Such as "Always run ALL tires 10% over tire manufacturers stated max pressure" or the LP tank gauge is stuck it is really full (I later filled it and the gauge is fine).

We were told of some issues when we bought used. The issues were more than they expressed, but I am not surprised. If I were not into DYI , then I might be upset. I have 2 pages of typed things I have fixed myself. No real problem as I wanted a new hobby! The price was good for just the Chassis alone and the outside was in very good shape. On our first road trip, we even had a couple follow us into a rest area and ask about the motor home as it was what they were looking for. So why complain?

I have dealt with sales people for many of my soon to be 66 years. The DW is more upset with what I had to repair than I am. I expected more to do than they said. My main concern was mechanical. The local Ford Dealer went over the E450 chassis, changed oil, changed the chassis battery and rebalanced the tires. I was told the tires were 3 years old (true) and the breaks were OK - not new. Still I will stand by my previous statement of 25% truth during the sale.

The problem is what people expect.
The OP expected an honest sale. In my opinion they did not get a totally honest transaction. They saw a first time buyer and jumped at his lack of RV knowledge.
They failed to think about future business with him.
Many people with RV experience look down on the OP for not having or doing an inspection. In truth, most non-RVs do not even know there are independent inspectors available. The Campers Inn sales model worked very well in gaining his confidence.

As we get older we should be getting wiser (at least that is what I tell the grandchildren). I have see enough items including homes sold "as is" -"where is" to know that it will be a "fixer-upper".

I do not known if the OP has had that experience over the years.

There is a phrase that the Fishermen in Virginia use in reference to boats and women which goes: " Paint and putty sells a lot of boats".
The same goes for an RV. Many people stop at the surface and do not see what is under it.

It is interesting seeing the response on the Fl. title from terry35001.
When we lived in Fl. they were having a big problem with the titles being changed especially with flooded vehicles that were declared a total loss. Most buyers were not aware of what they were buying. They only found out later when the electrical systems failed and the repair facilitates founds the corrosion and mud.

The more I read, the more I believe that "Buyer Beware" applies more to both new and used RVs than any other product. This seems ti be an industry will little over-site.

Hopefully the OP can move on and enjoy the motor home as he customizes to his liking. At the price he paid he has a great opportunity to make it unique.
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The more I read, the more I believe that "Buyer Beware" applies more to both new and used RVs than any other product. This seems ti be an industry will little over-site.
Good post Oldme!

I'm like you in that I overlook the things in a used RV that are small items I can look after myself with minimal cost.

However, in every purchase one makes, the question still needs to be asked, "How can I protect myself to ensure I won't encounter a costly mistake"?

This holds true especially in a case where you don't know anything about what you are about to venture into. Trusting what someone says in this day and age, is not something you should do without supporting proof.

Being naive, only gets you into predicaments you will regret!

No Dealer I know sells a flawless used RV. If you don't ask the questions or raise the issues, they aren't going to give you the answers that may reveal additional costs to them.
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