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Old 10-09-2020, 10:16 AM   #1
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DEF in Jet Airplanes

On the front page of this morning's local paper (Punta Gorda Sun) there was an article about a couple of local air ambulance pilots losing both engines on a Cessna Citation and having to do a dead stick in Savannah.

What happened is that our airport fueling personnel added DEF to two of the companies Citations instead of JET fuel additive. The DEF was for the diesel fueling trucks. They have an additive for jet fuel and the bottles were stored in the same room. The fuel person grabbed the wrong bottles.

One Citation lost one engine and landed. The engines were ruined. The other plane lost both over the Atlantic headed for New England with patients aboard. With both engines out electrical power thus avionics were intermittent.They had to come in what they could see. Several times they lost sight of the ground and finally at 1500 feet saw the runway. It's engines were also ruined.

Both pilots aboard the dead engines plane were asked what they were thinking? They replied that they were too busy calculating distances and rate of descent to think about much else.

The local airport has asked the FEDS to exempt their fuel trucks from the DEF requirements because of their light use. They were denied. So, in the meantime they have fired the idiot who did it and now store DEF in a totally separate building.
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So, jet jocks can actually be glider pilots... who knew? In all seriousness, there are people that should never be allowed near an airplane of any kind, let alone to fuel one. Wow...
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Old 10-09-2020, 11:25 AM   #3
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Interesting, this happened a couple times before (DEF fuel contamination), I think last year. If memory serves me correctly, it was at the same ?FL? airport.


EDIT: I found a link. What's really scary is that it was at the Punta Gorda airport the last time, AND, the article goes on to mention 2018 and 2017 incidents. YIKES, they really do need to find out how this is happening!


https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/...dents-reported
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Old 10-09-2020, 12:08 PM   #4
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That's what happens when pilots are to careless and think airports are offering valet service.
#1 rule I followed after I had an issue with a line-boy. Who damaged a fuel tank.
NEVER LET ANYBODY TOUCH YOUR AIRCRAFT UNLESS YOU ARE THERE TO WATCH.
I don't mean anything personal but jet jockeys have attitude! Most are used to Valet everything!
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Looks like time to find a couple pre 2007 fuel trucks.
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That's what happens when pilots are to careless and think airports are offering valet service.
#1 rule I followed after I had an issue with a line-boy. Who damaged a fuel tank.
NEVER LET ANYBODY TOUCH YOUR AIRCRAFT UNLESS YOU ARE THERE TO WATCH.
I don't mean anything personal but jet jockeys have attitude! Most are used to Valet everything!


Wow, you just condemned anyone flying jets! Ease up! Most of those jet jockeys are damn good pilots!
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One really does get what they pay for, whether it be a pair of socks or an employee.
To prevent that all it requires is a different type attachment on the storage DEF tanks than on the fuel tanks. A different size color-coded nozzle on the transport trucks DEF and fuel tanks will help too.
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As a long time pilot, they beat it into our heads during Army flight training to have one of the crew watch the refueler. That keeps the refueler from putting jet fuel into recip engines tanks. And vice versa, although the jet will fly with basic aviation fuel...but not for as long or as well.
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It looks like the DEF was mixed into the fuel truck. No pilot would know unless a chemical breakdown was done. Luckily only 1 airplane was affected.
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So, a quick comment on the original story. Lack of training, probably lack of pay, and unqualified personnel. Yet the airport management blames the Fed for not giving an exemption that all us have to follow. Yup, seems about right for the times.

Not knocking the OP at all, just what I got from the story. Luckily they were able to land. If this is multiple incidents at this airport, it's time to clean house.
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Knowing what I know about Punta Gorda,and the airport employees, I am sure I know the real reason for the 'mistake'.
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Well after 39 years of flying turbo props and jets , a def fuel contamination is certainly a new one to me. For years it was always a battle to make sure that we were receiving prist in our fuel on aircraft that it was required. Prist usually came three ways, premixed, mixed at the truck, or mixed in thru a can. Of those methods mixing at the truck required more supervision .
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