Politics and Religion in polite company

[FatDog]

sknight .... i really enjoy your participation here! ... FD

[Ray,IN]

Chickadee, Point well taken. I will/do discuss these "delicate" subjects in person, I just hesitate to do it by mail. There is way too much chance to be misunderstood, by both parties. This also demands a certain level of writing skills in order to project one's points of view. I write my elected representatives whenever I feel the need to make by views known, because it's normally the only way to communicate. To this end, I received a email reply this week from a congressman(well_ a staffer), dismayed that I pointed a finger at him. Re-reading my original email, he was correct, I did step in it.
I believe Andy is right in banning political and religious discussions here. It would be a great way to destroy a friendly website the WE have built-up.

[chasfm11]

Originally Posted by FatDog

This is important in both directions and they are adament on following both. And the natives know it well and follow it.

The sad fact is that several recent threads have been closed here because, in spite of frequent warnings by mods, behavior not in keeping with the site's guidelines continued. While I personally would like a place to have an honest conversation about some of the forbidden topic areas, I cannot imagine how that would work. I appreciate that there may be someplace where it has worked but replicating it might prove very difficult. It often only takes one person to drive a topic and the entire environment off equilibrium. I use that word advisedly because I believe that there is a very delicate balance between the sharing of controversial ideas and not becoming too emotionally involved in the discourse.

[widowson1968]

Down here, or up as your location may put you, in extreme North Florida we are mostly agricultural folks. Peanuts, soy beans, corn and of course live stock.
Rita and I, well mostly Rita, raise miniature horses for fun and hopefully some day profit.
We have noticed that no matter which side of the corral you stand on it still smells the same.
Hopefully we will get a break from the smell and the heat by going camping in the Rv in a few weeks time. North Carolina looks good from here.

Happy camping to all.

Jack&Rita

[Chickadee]

Jack & Rita:

Cute analogy, and I think I can understand what you're saying. But, if the agenda of some group in your neighborhood of N. Florida, or in your state, or for that matter in the nation, might directly (or indirectly) lead to taking away your ability and freedom to "get away (in your RV) from the smell" by going to North Carolina, ....and then.... for the "good of that group," later also decide that the raising of miniature horses and the associated "smell" was not a worthwhile endeavor and not good for the neighborhood and should be made unlawful,...... at what point would you want to talk about it and with who???

Ya see, just as some have chosen to raise miniature horses, some of us have freely chosen to use the fruits of our lifetimes work to "live" in our RV's, all the time. We might have no accumulation of possessions in storage, have no property or house, and wish only to explore our beautiful country before we die. However, I'm getting kinda worried that there is a group of folks out there who may believe that one group should decide what is "worthwhile" or not for others.

Please understand, I DON'T know this for sure, but I simply want to talk about it with other RV'rs, just as you might want to talk with other associates who raise miniature horses. If it looked like some group of neighbors in your county of N. Florida were going to gain control of county government and implement rules that would eliminate or make it impossible to raise miniature horses, what would you do, and who would you begin talking with about it?

I KNOW,.....I KNOW.....this was WAY more than you probably cared to hear about and I apologize. I just strongly believe that FREEDOM is worth the effort. Steve

[sknight]

I guess my problem is why the burning desire to talk about it EVERYWHERE. And then why get angry and feel censored when the forum, which has rules against those topics that you agreed to when you signed on, stops it.

Why here? Why the necessity for it here? There are many, many outlets for such discussion. It's just fine here as it is. What does it matter that someone on the other corner of the country doesn't agree with you? And frankly does going on and on about it arguing to no end on a forum actually do anything but cause hard feelings? I doubt the NSA is monitoring this, nor do they care. Obama isn't going to log into his favorite RV forum and let people arguing over socialized health care change his mind one little bit.

It's nothing but an outlet to start arguments. LEPR topics don't stay civil, and nobody changes their mind.

Don't believe me? A notice to stay away from Yellowstone for a particular weekend because the first family is spending a weekend there turned ugly and got locked. A simple notice that Yellowstone (Least I think that was it.) was going to be overflowing with people and security lockdowns is all it started out to be.

They don't stay civil, but I'm not a mod or admin. If it's decided to add a forum for such discussion I cant stop it.

[widowson1968]

Oh Steve did you ever misread my point. I implied that some issues smell really bad no matter which side you're on. The folks on each side are fine and entitled to their difference of opinion but the "issue" will still stink. My HO though.

Best to you and all here...Jack&Rita

[Hitchhiker]

FWIW, we moderators and administrators at iRV2 aren't discussing or even considering adding a forum for discussing politics or for anything else for that matter. Some posters seem to be insinuating we are open for suggestions to add a place, but for the record, we aren't interested. We aren't interested in hosting political or religious discussions.

As posted in the first post in this thread, discussions of politics and religion are not permitted here as they are just too divisive to the community.

[sknight]

[Doggy Daddy]

To discuss politics one should know and understand the form of American Government and its' history.
Most people do not realize the word "Democracy" is not to be found in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the US, or any of the constitutions of the 50 United States.
To understand why, please watch the short video.

[Route 66]

Several posts have been discussing government, which is not permitted on iRV2.

iRV2 has made it clear that such discussions are not permitted and a forum for such discussions will NOT be established.

It's time to move on before this thread gets more political.

Thanks.