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Old 08-09-2020, 07:00 PM   #86479
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Hey, Muties, I hate to break it to you, but my out-going plumbing is a slinky.
For a while, I won’t need anything dug up.
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Old 08-09-2020, 09:06 PM   #86480
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Hey, Muties, I hate to break it to you, but my out-going plumbing is a slinky.
For a while, I won’t need anything dug up.
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Yes, but your slinky is often stinky and Connie’s sewer pipe will forever (hopefully) be outta sight and outta mind. Homer has only a garden hose and I admit that it can have occasional stink issues. Different tubes for different ...., oops I better not finish that sentence. Ok, at the next GC we'll have a slinky contest. I nominate the MLumps as judges.

BTW Carl, A lot of contractors don’t run the sewer pipes under the slab so they can be replaced without busting up the slab. Imagine what poor Earlene would be going thru now if line on the left side of Wayne’s drawing was under the slab. She'd have jack hammers AND Wayne in the house.
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Old 08-09-2020, 09:20 PM   #86481
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All our drains from the inside fixtures are into and through the foundation. The tunnel you see is on the main bathroom where auger and camera saw cracking and collapse. The kitchen sink ran through the foundation, under the foundation and connected to the line at the back bathroom. The front bathroom where the tunnel is ran through the foundation and out to the side for a line run to the main. Yes. When building a house all the lines run under the foundation down here just like up there. When there is a problem the alternative is to not tunnel extremely but come out and use external lines. Easier to get to and fix should something go wrong.

What would they do in NE if a pipe under the foundation in a basement collapsed? Most likely jack hammer a hole in the basement and fix the problem. Can't do that here. To much destruction to the living quarters.

The W/D runs to the kitchen line. The kitchen one, when using the auger pulled out mud, which means a collapse past the kitchen line.

Rather than tunneling from the W/D to the back of the house bathroom via the kitchen, it is so much less costly to come out through the wall and run new lines.

The main runs to the back alley of the house and is about 50 feet. All of the runs meet at the back of the house bathroom and junction into the main.

Many of the NE houses have the plumbing running through the basement and to a main sewer line. Your sewer lines may be deeper than ours because of frost/winter freeze. Ours are about 18 inches under ground. We don't have any basements. Seven feet down is the water table. Much of the depth is "Gumbo Soil." Gumbo Soil has small amounts of sand and organic materials but an overwhelming presence of clay. Very difficult to work with. We don't do deep in the South.
OK, now I understand what you were dealing with a lot better. Thanks for the explanation. It all makes sense now. BTW, my water table is really high on my property, which is why I'm on a slab.

As luck would have it, I *did* have an issue with my heating system that is supposedly buried in concrete in the "older" portion of the house. Years back, we had to trench down the hallway, thru a bedroom and around towards the back wall to completely replace the main water feed to the radiant heating in the slab. What a mess, a portion of the pipe was exposed to the ground and that caused a lot of rust/rot. Now, it's gotten so bad it's all being replaced by adding a new layer of radiant heat pipes on top of the existing slab and putting a subfloor over that. I lose an inch in ceiling height but it was the best solution other than...don't even want to think about that.
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Old 08-09-2020, 09:43 PM   #86482
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Hey, Muties, I hate to break it to you, but my out-going plumbing is a slinky.
For a while, I won’t need anything dug up.
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Carl,

It’s probably too late for you, but there is a way now that they can run new pipes inside old pipes. I saw a plumbing truck that showed it while sitting at a stoplight. Of course, radiant heat is probably the cheaper option and I know it wasn’t cheap.
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Interesting concept, but for radiant heating systems, they zig zag across the room creating a grid pattern. I can't even fathom how they'd get a pipe inside these 65 year old black pipes and make all those turns. Not to mention the cost of having some specialist do that kind of work. The replacement being done will turn out much better in the long run, all new modern stuff.
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OK, now I understand what you were dealing with a lot better. Thanks for the explanation. It all makes sense now. BTW, my water table is really high on my property, which is why I'm on a slab.

As luck would have it, I *did* have an issue with my heating system that is supposedly buried in concrete in the "older" portion of the house. Years back, we had to trench down the hallway, thru a bedroom and around towards the back wall to completely replace the main water feed to the radiant heating in the slab. What a mess, a portion of the pipe was exposed to the ground and that caused a lot of rust/rot. Now, it's gotten so bad it's all being replaced by adding a new layer of radiant heat pipes on top of the existing slab and putting a subfloor over that. I lose an inch in ceiling height but it was the best solution other than...don't even want to think about that.
Well look at the positive side. A lower ceiling means easier to heat.

Had a house in NC built in 1895 and the down stairs ceiling was hand high. That means I could stand flat footed and place the palm of my hand on the ceiling. It was not a remodel as the upstairs bed rooms had the original 16 foot runs of 1 x 4 lumber. Sixteen foot must have been a hand hew piece for the period - don't know. I think overall the rooms were 14 x 16 feet - two bedrooms like that. The only heat we had upstairs was a couple 12 x 12 inch grates in the floor.

The sewer system was a septic tank with a separate grease pit off the kitchen. Had to be cleaned out every once in a while. Think dead meat.

I can picture the tear out and trench through the house. Most definitely what we want to avoid.
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When we do travel it is 24/7 in 400 square feet or thereabout. With the COVID-19 virus it's 24/7 in 1800 square feet house. Earlene was climbing the walls with this sewer rebuild.
It is so amazing how we depend on certain things and take them for granted. Never expecting that both bathrooms would be out of commission - one day.

Yesterday they started plumbing and running the lines. During that time we had to refrain from using any water. There is an old saying - "Yellow is mellow, brown goes down." I went to the gas station for a brown sessions (TMI: TMI: TMI

As this was going on I thought of our ancestors and what they went through in the 17 and 18 hundreds.
I'm as old as some of you and I can remember the days of the "half moon door" sitting far away from the house. We actually had a sears catalogue.

Interesting subject - for sitting around the camp fire - albeit a crappy one.
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Yea, the trench was a mess. Got very good walking down the hall and not falling in

My house is unique in the sense that originally, the ceiling literally is the roof. e.g., it's 1 3/4" tongue and groove pine and it had a "tar and stone" roof. This is NE remember and the pitch wasn't for NE, it was for L.A.

So that was another huge project, many many years ago where we put a *real* roof with a real pitch and an attic on top of what was there (we of course got rid of the tar/stone first). So the ceilings are all pitched and losing the inch really won't matter much. I still can't touch the top in the center and I can already touch the ceiling along the wall where it's the lowest. It'll hardly be noticeable.
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Never expecting that both bathrooms would be out of commission - one day.
You didn't consider bringing the MH into the driveway for temporary use?
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You didn't consider bringing the MH into the driveway for temporary use?


When we tent camped on an island all of the time, we had a bucket seat with no bottom..... dug a hole, set it over the top, then when done you sprinkled lime.....
Also had a pvc pipe surround with shower curtains for privacy.......

Did that kind of camping until I was 50yrs.....
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Wayne “Had a house in NC built in 1895”.
And you were 30 at the time
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Don’t anyone faint, Smarty got a bath today! I took this photo before going home because she won’t be clean by the time we get back To Notta Ranch. But I did manage to get the butterfly guts off for the most part.
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