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01-15-2012, 10:24 AM
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ronspradley et al,
If you are a conspiracy theorist watch "Thrive" and see if the $5.00 it costs was worth it to you.
Thrive
My wife and I watched last evening at friends' place and I am still skeptical of this very rich mans ascertains.
Dennis
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01-15-2012, 10:49 AM
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I think you will many of the relatives of the 100 million in Walmart.
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01-15-2012, 11:20 AM
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National RV Owners Club
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidewinder
If you don’t think “Immigration” is a problem,
Ask any Indian.
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Wonder how it would have turned out if they had had immigration laws back then???
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01-15-2012, 11:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dieselclacker
Just wondering who was in charge of taking the census in 1492.
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I was wondering that myself.
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01-15-2012, 11:37 AM
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Since so many were here would it still mean that he discovered it? I don't think so. They are finding out now that it's a stistical tie at the moment between the Vikings, the Irish Monks, and the Chinese who was here first and quite a few years before CC.
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01-15-2012, 02:23 PM
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Monaco Owners Club
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01-15-2012, 03:19 PM
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Do you think old Chris was the founder of Rving?
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01-15-2012, 05:37 PM
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My last conversation with my paternal grandmother before she died included her telling me family stories from The Trail of Tears. Look it up...it gets a paragraph in most high school US history books.
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01-15-2012, 06:16 PM
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One of the GREATEST tragedies in American history that has all but been buried by all those too embarrassed to acknowledge the wrong that was done.
Ron
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01-15-2012, 07:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ronspradley
As I understand it, the "Just Conversation" thread does not need a point. But just for you, I will explain why I thought this "factoid" was compelling. When I read the history books in high school and college, hardly anything was mentioned about native populations. I had no idea that so many peoples were here before Europe "discovered" them. 100 million people. I find it incredible that there were so many here already and that either accidentally or on purpose, almost all were wiped out by the interaction. Makes me wonder what will happen when we get visited by outer space aliens. They will of course know about germs and what they would need to do to protect the planet's 7 billion, but would they even care.
Hope that helps explain "the point". Happy trails.
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Maybe it will be the other way around though. Haven't you seen the movie War of the worlds?
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01-15-2012, 09:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ronspradley
As I understand it, the "Just Conversation" thread does not need a point. But just for you, I will explain why I thought this "factoid" was compelling. When I read the history books in high school and college, hardly anything was mentioned about native populations. I had no idea that so many peoples were here before Europe "discovered" them. 100 million people. I find it incredible that there were so many here already and that either accidentally or on purpose, almost all were wiped out by the interaction. Makes me wonder what will happen when we get visited by outer space aliens. They will of course know about germs and what they would need to do to protect the planet's 7 billion, but would they even care.
Hope that helps explain "the point". Happy trails.
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I can tell you didn't take my history course . Not all history courses are created equal.
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01-16-2012, 05:19 AM
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The history of the Americas is not unique. When resources become scarce, for whatever reason, people tend to push outward into the areas of weaker groups. That is almost always to the detriment of the weaker folks. Europeans were not the only ones who did that, nor did that end with the colonial era. Some groups were just more efficient at eliminating their competition.
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01-16-2012, 07:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gray ghost
The history of the Americas is not unique. When resources become scarce, for whatever reason, people tend to push outward into the areas of weaker groups. That is almost always to the detriment of the weaker folks. Europeans were not the only ones who did that, nor did that end with the colonial era. Some groups were just more efficient at eliminating their competition.
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Agreed Grey Wolf but isn’t it Humorous that in reflection we can understand this but now that it is happening to us with the Mexicans, the East Indians and the Orientals we get a big memory loss and just can’t understand and will not tolerate it happening in OUR country. Just as if we could stop it from happening. Ha, I go back to my original post. “If you don’t think we have an immigration problem in this country, ask any Indian”
I sort of chuckle at the parallels of then and now, “The Indians sat around their campfires a discussed the problem with all the foreigners coming into their land and now we sit around our cyber-fires and discuss the same thing and expect a different result”. Downright hilarious if it wasn’t so sad. FUNNY.
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01-16-2012, 08:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ronspradley
As I understand it, the "Just Conversation" thread does not need a point. But just for you, I will explain why I thought this "factoid" was compelling. When I read the history books in high school and college, hardly anything was mentioned about native populations. I had no idea that so many peoples were here before Europe "discovered" them. 100 million people. I find it incredible that there were so many here already and that either accidentally or on purpose, almost all were wiped out by the interaction. Makes me wonder what will happen when we get visited by outer space aliens. They will of course know about germs and what they would need to do to protect the planet's 7 billion, but would they even care.
Hope that helps explain "the point". Happy trails.
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OK, now, could you give me a source for your 100 million count? And is that census taken in the confines of the US or does it include the entire North American continent?
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