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Old 04-01-2022, 09:25 AM   #1
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New owner of a very old park queen - 1992 Alumi-Lite XL 5th Wheel

Looking like this particular model is a bit of a Unicorn. Even HR washed their hands of having any information about this model.
I have the original Sales Order, the VIN, and some markings on the body, along with manuals on most of the appliances and infrastructure.

what I don't have, and would love to have, are wiring diagrams, and detailed floorplans.

If I try to pull the VIN, I either get nothing, or a 2022 Holiday Rambler Presidential 37' 5th wheel. I have seen the term Executive, and XL used in the documentation. The registration specifies HROA, even though they say that was before their time.
VIN: 1KB3C1R27NW001872

It's not going to hit the road anymore, but it is in a pristine spot, so I would like to do a makeover and make it a permanent camp. I've done multiple cruising yachts over the years, so I am very familiar with the systems and manufacturers, except on the propane side.
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Old 04-01-2022, 10:04 AM   #2
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Congratulations. Assuming the price was right it looks like a good plan. How is it inside, any photos?

In terms of trying to match the model, have you tried Googling floor plans of potential candidates?

As a boater (I had sailboats for many years), you're in good stead for this project and, since you're stationary, you won't be exposed to many of the problems we have to deal with. As with boats, leaks are of primary concern so making sure your roof is sealed properly is a priority. Like me, I suspect you'll be (or are) appalled at the sloppy nature of the application of sealants. I see that the slide outs are well protected.

The propane system is relatively simple and usually trouble-free. They're a bigger safety issue on boats due to the potential of leakage into a watertight bilge. Nonetheless you should make sure your alarms (propane, smoke and CO) are in good shape and inspect your hoses. Keeping your tank(s) topped off will probably be your biggest issue. If you're using the stock, two tank system, it's best to draw off only one tank at a time so when #1 is empty, you can use #2.

An AC/DC signal tracer can be a big help in identifying wires as is a multimeter with a clamp-on AC/DC current probe. I assume you're on 100% shore power, but, even so, many of your systems are 12V DC. Unless your 5th wheel has been modified, these are powered by a converter/charger that feeds your batteries, that, in turns, feeds your 12V circuits. In my experience, bad batteries will disrupt this flow. Older converters are "dumb" and can damage batteries over time while more modern converters are "smart" with three-stage charging. Powermax makes a good line of converters. Unless your shore power is unreliable, you won't need to concern yourself with the size of your battery bank. Your converter might be a bit difficult to find. They're often in the bottom of a cabinet but they're usually accessible.

I hope you keep us up to date on this out of the mainstream project.
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Thanks for the quick response. I can see signs of previous mild leaking (perhaps decades ago, wrinkling a bit of the wallpaper), but the rig is bone dry even in good old Florida liquid sunshine (experiencing it right now). Someone laid Pergo in the main "salon" space, probably a long time ago. The first project will be to off all the carpet in the rig, and do whatever structural may need to be done (mainly the step up to the bedroom). then, I'll use a light LVP throughout. I've already done 3 cruisers, and a 2600 sq foot house with it, so I'm familiar. I've been thorough all the lockers, and access to plumbing/electric etc are in GREAT shape for this vintage, as are the wood structures.
Will we go grey and black? No, but we will lighten the whole thing up from country woods, to Keys Beach House.

Here's a few more before pics. I have a bunch more, so I may just open up a Dropbox link if that's allowed here.
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I'm not sure it's 1992 with slides.



Look at NADA or Kelly Blue Book. That might help narrow the models.
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Just a few thoughts

Congrats on your purchase. Sometimes wallpaper wrinkles up due to the glue drying out. Ant RV that is older than 5to6 yrs. needs to have all the windows out and resealed with new butyl caulk and Lexel caulk on the outside. You Tube has a video on how to do this. Best of luck with your renovations.
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Based on the exterior graphics - it is definitely a 1992 model. I may have a brochure in a box in my garage. I will check it today.
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Old 04-09-2022, 04:47 PM   #7
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Well - I looked thru the boxes in the garage where I thought the Holiday/Alumalite brochures would be and came up empty. I may have thrown them out a few years back. I also quickly looked thru my old Trailer Life magazines (I have them going back to the late 70s) and I did not find a cover or feature article for Alumalites between 1991-94. Sorry - I struck out.
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I'm not sure it's 1992 with slides.



Look at NADA or Kelly Blue Book. That might help narrow the models.
I did, no help. I have the original owner delivery package. August 1992. The word Executive is used. Wording on nose and sides is Aluminum Lite with a feather between. Holiday Rambler badges, but HR disavows knowledge. The term XL is used too. Appliance docs all hover around 1991 or 1992.
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“”HR disavows any knowledge”

If you mean the current Holiday Rambler Corp I suppose that would be correct. The original Holiday Rambler Corporation has not existed since 1986.

“Holiday Rambler was sold to Harley-Davidson in 1986 and later in 1996 to the Monaco Coach Corporation where its future, then under Navistar International Corp., was difficult in 2010 as it was for most motorhome manufacturers. In May 2013, Holiday Rambler was sold by Navistar International Corp. to Allied Specialty Vehicles, reviving its luxury RV status it enjoys today.”

In the 80s and 90s, I believe HRC used the Imperial badge on their top of the line units (trailers, fifth wheels and motor homes). Alumalite XL was a mid-line unit, and Free Spirit line was the third line.
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In my search for anything "Holiday Rambler" - evidently there is a Holiday Rambler Owners group on Facebook that might have more info for you. I don't do Facebook.
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I don't see where you've mentioned the length but this one looks like your's. If it's still available you could call the selling dealer and ask for a photo of the number plate.

On the other hand, other than satisfying your curiosity, I'm not sure what you're going to gain by knowing the details. Wiring diagrams, with the exception of Winnebago's motorhomes and perhaps some other brands aren't readily available.
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I'm not sure it's 1992 with slides.



Look at NADA or Kelly Blue Book. That might help narrow the models.
10th character of the VIN - "N", would indicate a 1992 model year.
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Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm not near the original sales order this week, but will look for other clues. Mostly curiosity. Browsing around this morning, I came across a 1994 32WBRK, which is the spitting image of mine with a couple of exceptions.
1. the divider between the dinette and the sofa is a full set of upper and lower cabinets and countertop in mine.
2. My stateroom is a slide out, and the bed is rotated from facing the front of the rig to the left side of the rig. The space in front is a full length closet with 2 sliding doors, and then another set of cabinet drawers.

Starting to think that mine might have been a custom order in 92.

Here's the 32: The Antique Angler/1994 Aluma-Lite Travel Trailer and Fifth Wheel

Will be ordering a RecPro Michael 80" EZ-OUT in leather after flooring is done. Nowhere to view that sofa in person. Any comments? Looks comfortable, and is bigger than a queen, and smaller than a king.
https://www.recpro.com/recpro-michae...fold-sofa-bed/
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“”HR disavows any knowledge”

If you mean the current Holiday Rambler Corp I suppose that would be correct. The original Holiday Rambler Corporation has not existed since 1986.

“Holiday Rambler was sold to Harley-Davidson in 1986 and later in 1996 to the Monaco Coach Corporation........
Does this mean I finally got my Harley?!?!?!
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