Red Max Pro #3 Question

[Highwinder]

There seems to be confusion about "ZEP High Traffic vs ZEP Wet Look".

I consider the ZEP tech's information to be the final word:

From a previous post on this page:

"ZEP tech told me 'ZEP High Traffic (Step 3)' was same as RMP".

I consider this "Case closed by horse's mouth".

[stepside454]

I used Wetlook. Pleased with the results

[Dunner]

Originally Posted by Highwinder

There seems to be confusion about "ZEP High Traffic vs ZEP Wet Look".

I consider the ZEP tech's information to be the final word:

From a previous post on this page:

"ZEP tech told me 'ZEP High Traffic (Step 3)' was same as RMP".

I consider this "Case closed by horse's mouth".

Techs are never wrong. In this case, I think he is right.

Read the labels. Wet Look and High Traffic both say Long Lasting High Gloss Shine and Slip and Scuff Resistant. Wet Look says Acrylic Based with Leveling Agent. High Traffic does not. High Traffic has phosphates; Wet Look does not. High Traffic is $16.97, Wet Look is $24.97. If you can find RMP#3, it is $12.97 at Lowe's.

I have a Wet Look bottle right next to me as I type and was at HD comparing Wet Look and High Traffic not less that 8 hours ago.

RMP#3 does not say it is Acrylic Based, but in the Q/A all from people wanting to use it on their MHs, one person said it was. One person asked if RMP was made by ZEP and the answer said it could not be determined that it was.

Bottom line, is I think RMP#3 is the same as ZEP High Traffic. Maybe the Acrylic in the Wet Look makes it last longer. I can't answer that. I do know it is not easy to remove, even with the stripper at full strength.

[Highwinder]

Ok, I just got off the phone with ZEP, here's the official "horse's mouth" information on all 3 products:

Red Max Pro (Step 3): Officially discontinued as a brand name, now sold as ZEP High Traffic. It is indeed the same product.

ZEP High Traffic Floor Polish: Previously sold as Red Max Pro Step 3, contains 20% solids (acrylic). ZEP product specialist stated that this is the most durable floor polish available, and lasts considerably longer than Wet Look due to additional durability/hardening agents that Wet Look does not have.

ZEP Wet Look Floor Polish: Contains 25% solids (acrylic), which does give it a glossier shine but does not last nearly as long as ZEP High Traffic (Note: High Traffic can produce the same results with another coat or two).

Specific Chemical Difference: There is a specific chemical diference between High Traffic and Wet Look that makes High Traffic last much longer and is why it is used in schools, etc. I was told that if I wanted the name of the chemical that made High Traffic last longer than Wet Look, I'd have to call the lab (that was good enough for me, so I didn't bother).

Phosphate Content: ZEP said that both Wet Look and High Traffic have the same identical phosphate content, zero difference between the two.

Number of Coats: Both products have a "4 coat" recommendation. For High Traffic to achieve the same gloss level as Wet Look, an additional coat or two will be required, but will last considerably longer due to the higher durability chemical makeup.

Price per gallon:
Wet Look: $25 average
High Traffic: $15 Average
Red Max Pro Step #3: Discontinued brand name, so being bargain priced by Lowes to clear the shelves


Hope this helps! :-)

PS: I did not ask about the compatibility between the two - as in applying High Traffic over the top of Wet Look in case anyone wanted to switch after the fact.

[Bilito]

Originally Posted by Highwinder

Ok, I just got off the phone with ZEP, here's the official "horse's mouth" information on all 3 products:

Red Max Pro (Step 3): Officially discontinued as a brand name, now sold as ZEP High Traffic. It is indeed the same product.

ZEP High Traffic Floor Polish: Previously sold as Red Max Pro Step 3, contains 20% solids (acrylic). ZEP product specialist stated that this is the most durable floor polish available, and lasts considerably longer than Wet Look due to additional durability/hardening agents that Wet Look does not have.

ZEP Wet Look Floor Polish: Contains 25% solids (acrylic), which does give it a glossier shine but does not last nearly as long as ZEP High Traffic (Note: High Traffic can produce the same results with another coat or two).

Specific Chemical Difference: There is a specific chemical diference between High Traffic and Wet Look that makes High Traffic last much longer and is why it is used in schools, etc. I was told that if I wanted the name of the chemical that made High Traffic last longer than Wet Look, I'd have to call the lab (that was good enough for me, so I didn't bother).

Phosphate Content: ZEP said that both Wet Look and High Traffic have the same identical phosphate content, zero difference between the two.

Number of Coats: Both products have a "4 coat" recommendation. For High Traffic to achieve the same gloss level as Wet Look, an additional coat or two will be required, but will last considerably longer due to the higher durability chemical makeup.

Price per gallon:
Wet Look: $25 average
High Traffic: $15 Average
Red Max Pro Step #3: Discontinued brand name, so being bargain priced by Lowes to clear the shelves


Hope this helps! :-)

PS: I did not ask about the compatibility between the two - as in applying High Traffic over the top of Wet Look in case anyone wanted to switch after the fact.

I have a product for my Boat called NEW GLASS ll, I bought it at the boat show for 19.99 qt on sale, normally 29.99 a qt. I tried it on a small spot on the RV 4 coats and it shines like it is covered in glass. Must be the same thing as ZEP only more expensive since it is for boats

[Highwinder]

Originally Posted by Bilito

I have a product for my Boat called NEW GLASS ll, I bought it at the boat show for 19.99 qt on sale, normally 29.99 a qt. I tried it on a small spot on the RV 4 coats and it shines like it is covered in glass. Must be the same thing as ZEP only more expensive since it is for boats

Sounds good. Just be aware that NG2 yellows. I've seen some boat owners report that it's good for colored areas where yellowing won't be noticed.

[Dunner]

Thx, Highwinder, good info for myself and others. Copied and saved. According HD's MSDS sheet, High Traffic has Phosphates and Wet Look doesn't. I Wet Look'd some frame tubes on my sand rail and can see the difference between fresh rattle can and ZEP'd. Guess which tubes shine better.

[Highwinder]

Originally Posted by Dunner

Thx, Highwinder, good info for myself and others. Copied and saved. According HD's MSDS sheet, High Traffic has Phosphates and Wet Look doesn't. I Wet Look'd some frame tubes on my sand rail and can see the difference between fresh rattle can and ZEP'd. Guess which tubes shine better.

No problem, my pleasure - thought I'd get to the bottom of it before I start to tackle 25 years worth of oxidation on an '87 Pace Arrow this weekend (inside's beautiful, but the outside definitely needs this "miracle cure"). Did all the shopping at Lowe's last night. I plan on enough coats to require a welder's mask to be able to withstand the glare in the sun.

I plan on taking lots of pix, this is definitely going to be quite a transformation. Can't wait!

It's well-established at this point that Wet Look produces the same outstanding results, so it's really a question of splitting hairs for the same shine:

Wet Look: Fewer coats but more often
High Traffic: More coats, but less often

I'm just going with High Traffic simply because I like the "armor factor" (ok, and the laziness factor too - insert sheepish grin here ).

Cheers

[Dunner]

It's also cheaper, unless you can find RMP#3 for $12.97.

[FDchief]

I haven't seen it listed here, but how long should you wait between applying coats?

[Dunner]

5-10-16 minutes. It's here; somewhere in those 14 pages.

[Senior Chief]

Originally Posted by FDchief

I haven't seen it listed here, but how long should you wait between applying coats?

It dries VERY quickly (remember, thin coats, like wiping dust off with a damp rag).

It will be dry long before you finish the first side, and you can re-apply immediately.

[Dunner]

I never timed it on my counter tops, but it can be sticky it done too soon.

[Davdeb1]

All you have to do is apply to the whole vehicle, then start over. It dries in 1/2 hour, and it will take you at least that long or longer to put one coat on. 4-5 coats, in fact I put one extra on front and front end cap.