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winniman · 12-09-2019, 06:33 PM

If you are camping near Hurricane Utah, Matts towing and recovery is always ready to come save you. He has a great YouTube channel showing many offroad recoveries he has done. Cheers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZhpocu2wt8

Jim_HiTek · 12-09-2019, 07:02 PM

Wow. Not someone I'd ever hire. That's not how to do a deep dirt pull out.

BUT, any help is better than none. Glad it all worked out.

winniman · 12-09-2019, 08:11 PM

Not my rig. Just a channel I found. Most of the recovery he does with the little "banana", is off road recovery. He has big tow trucks, but you cant get them into these places where people seem to be able to get stuck. It amazing how many rvs get themselves stuck out in the middle of places. I don't imagine his big tow trucks would do any better than the rvs he pulling out.

parcany2 · 12-09-2019, 08:12 PM

I am amazed that the Cherokee have the guts to even move that combo. It is a Jeep thing and I do understand.

winniman · 12-15-2019, 03:19 PM

Pretty amazing what he yanks out with that jeep. It is basically stock except a lift kit and lockers I think. He uses them because they are cheap, and parts are easy to get. Looks like he is making a good living on rescuing people out in the desert.

PSOUZA · 12-18-2019, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_HiTek

Wow. Not someone I'd ever hire. That's not how to do a deep dirt pull out.
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You don't seem the type to "ever" get into that position.

If you were, then you would know two things.

One: You will, almost never, have a choice on "who" you will hire.

Two: That is the only way to move a vehicle with a large mass, when the traction is poor for both. Such as sand.

Aside from the use of chains, the snatch strap was the preferred method of extraction, under those conditions.

Phil

Jim_HiTek · 12-18-2019, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PSOUZA

You don't seem the type to "ever" get into that position.

If you were, then you would know two things.

One: You will, almost never, have a choice on "who" you will hire.

Two: That is the only way to move a vehicle with a large mass, when the traction is poor for both. Such as sand.

Aside from the use of chains, the snatch strap was the preferred method of extraction, under those conditions.

Phil

Old enough and experienced enough to know that a 'JERK' out of sand is very dangerous. The accepted method is a slow pull at an angle. NOT a full on jerk at high speed straight on.

PSOUZA · 12-18-2019, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_HiTek

Old enough and experienced enough to know that a 'JERK' out of sand is very dangerous. The accepted method is a slow pull at an angle. NOT a full on jerk at high speed straight on.

The proper equipment does not include the use of chains. That, and the hooks he used to attach to the PU were incorrect equipment and technique. You will note that the attachment points were on the front of the frame of the truck. A diagonal pull would be an unnecessary strain on the extraction equipment (unequal pull force) and would risk damage to the frame of the pick up.

Under the circumstances of the video, the method used was conventional. A slow extraction using a winch and sand anchor (Pull Pal) might work but would require a lot of shovel work. There is risk in every thing about off road travel. Not the least is the risk of taking a rig, such as in the video, where it is likely to become stuck.

Like it or not, this is the way it is off road, when you travel where you shouldn't, under equipped, unprepared (ignorant), and alone.

I assume you did not notice the traditional elastic "snatch strap" that was used. It stores the energy from the accelerating jeep and releases it to the stuck vehicle in a controlled manner, expanding the JERK over a period of time to overcome the inertia of the stuck vehicle. They are designed specifically for this purpose and are used universally in off road recovery operations. Off road organizations educate their members in the safety aspects and proper use of these devices. And yes accidents still happen.

Phil

Phil G. · 05-14-2020, 10:42 AM

The most amazing things about that stuck situation were:

1. It seems like a "pretty dumb" (for lack of a better description) thing to try towing a 5'er into a soft sand situation like that ... a big no-no, IMHO. I guess that there are two kinds of rescues - one from situations which the rescued had no control over, and one from situations which the rescued caused.

2. I assume that the stuck person was able to communicate someway that they needed help ... most likely via cell phone? If so, what if there were no cell service way out there on that marginal road? (Of course maybe the stuck person had a satellite phone to call for help.)

BTW, I see no other way to have pulled that rig out than what was used - via making us of the physics of the rescue vehicle's forward inertia. (Well, maybe a spare tire could have been buried face up in a hole to use as a winch anchor - but the RV rig's pickup truck didn't appear to have a winch on it.)

P.S. Note that for part of the final pull out that the front tires of the RV rig's pickup truck being towed had those tires not pointing directly ahead - as they of course should have been to ease the pull out.

PSOUZA · 05-15-2020, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Phil G.

The most amazing things about that stuck situation were:

Stupid is relative. You should look at what they recover from some of the jobs.

The victim may have thought he had a chance. The pictures show a story, if you know where to look. There had been rain there a day or two before. There was still a fair amount of moisture in the lower sand. Traction was fair in the center of the road, that we could see. He was pulled way over into the right side berm as though to yield to an oncoming rig. Had he not had to do so, he might have made it. The stop in the deep, dry sand ruined his day.

As to the direction of the front tires...that might have been intentional so as to get the bulk of the rig out of the apex of the curve so as gain firmer ground sooner.

In any case that truck was not properly equipped for that road, with or with out that trailer.

The sand anchor trick is a last resort for the victim. The pro recovery would not use that method by choice.

Cell service is spotty out there but since most of the land is monitored by Rangers, help is usually fairly easy to get, in the more popular areas. Phoned into the tow company. Some times the walk out to get help is extreme.

Phil

Jack Klompus · 07-01-2020, 12:36 PM

Old Post, but to the OP, thanks for sending me down this rabbit hole today. Makes me pine for my old 4.0 Cherokees. They were amazing.

Anyone that thinks that guy doesn't know what he is doing .... well ....

The-washer · 07-04-2020, 10:20 PM

As someone that has an RV so that I can go off roading, I really enjoy Matts channel, and some of the comments are rather curmudgeonly. As my granddad used to say, “I dont worry about the people who know what they are doing, I worry about people that think they know”. With my experience, using much of the same equipment as shown in this video, he could not have done anything better. But, I guess if you are stuck like that, you have the choice of how, or if, you are helped out.