Ccc and a little more does what?

[Gary RVRoamer]

The definitions are simple enough, but they've changed three times in the last 20 years.

Since June 2, 2008, federal law defines the UVW (Unladen Vehicle Weight) as the empty vehicle with full fuel, including propane. Everything else is "cargo". OCCC (Occupant & Cargo Carrying Capacity) is the vehicle GVWR minus the UVW. It is legally required to be shown on the federal weight label and accurate to within 100 lbs for that specific vehicle. Even including dealer-installed equipment.

That accuracy requirement makes it legally risky for the manufacturer to give a weight before it is built. They know fairly closely once the options are specified, but not a legally accurate number. That's why the specs in the brochures are somewhat vague.

The older NCC (Net Carrying Capacity) sticker showed almost the same data, except that the UVW did not include propane. NCC was simply defined as the vehicle GVWR minus the UVW.

RVs built before June 2, 2008 and after roughly year 2000 carried RVIA mandated weight placards with a substantially different formula. RVIA tried to separate "cargo" from "passengers" and "water" and "propane, with separate numbers for each. More information, but many owners got lost in the complexity. In the RVIA method, CCC was cargo only, and did not include passengers, propane, or water.

[rk911]

all of which is unneccesarily complicated...but then it is govt. all one needs s empty weight, wet weight (fuel, water, lp) and payload....all per axle.

[Rvlegaleagle]

"It is legally required to be shown on the federal weight label and accurate to within 100 lbs for that specific vehicle. Even including dealer-installed equipment.

That accuracy requirement makes it legally risky for the manufacturer to give a weight before it is built. They know fairly closely once the options are specified, but not a legally accurate number. That's why the specs in the brochures are somewhat vague."

"They know fairly closely once the options are specified". That is all a customer wants to know, "a close figure" but still cannot get one! How ridiculous is that when you are talking about a very expensive piece of equipment! And you are also right, they know because they are building it and must tell you eventually AFTER you order it! It reminds me of Obama care, let's pass it first then we can read it for the details!

It is very simple process, surely they have already built one with all or some of the options or can at least tell you the weight of the options. This is a very disturbing situation. Since looking into RVing, I have noticed the entire industry teeters on the very edge of the law in many different ways. There will come a day though. Maybe a some retired lawyer(s) who buy a RV will seek some simple clarification and insist that such basic and safety related information be made available to potential purchasers by the manufactures who admittedly and by law already know and have this information.

It seems until that day comes, and it will, potential customers of RVs will have to spend a lot of their time to trying to figure out what should be approximately disclosed by those who already know. I haven't tried this yet but the suggestion that you first order a rig, pay a downpayment for it, and BEFORE accepting delivery, require that it be taken and weighted by each axle (the right way to do it) appears insane. What if it weights too much by reducing your carrying cargo from 1200 to only 500 pounds? You are supposed to then just walk away? Not sure your purchase contract would permit that folks.

[Rvlegaleagle]

Oh one more thing, it certainly isn't the Government or the law. It is just basic honesty.