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Old 07-27-2021, 09:28 PM   #1
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We purchased a 2006 Tiffin Alegro in March. We have been waiting for the title work to come in. We purchased from Camping World with mileage at 79,000. The country will not accept the title work from Camping World because our contract says the mileage says 79,000 and the title says exempt. They want me to sign a new contract showing the mileage exempt. I am worried this will hurt my resale once I try to sell the unit. I just need your opinion on if you feel this would hurt the value on my unit, and if so, how much? They want to come to my house tomorrow to sign a new contract showing the mileage as exempt. They told me the unit came from Nebraska and that is how they title older vehicles. Are they pulling my leg?
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A lot of times, on a vehicle more than 10 years old, it will show exempt for the mileage, because it's too old.
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Old 07-27-2021, 09:43 PM   #3
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Vehicles 10 years or older can be declared “exempt” from federal odometer tampering laws and that will be indicated on the title. Once declared, if a later seller includes an actual number, they become liable for it’s complete accuracy, regardless of how many previous owners it had, they are subject to the state’s deceptive practices laws, and possibly fraud.

This is a real issue for dealers, they are not pulling your leg.
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Old 07-28-2021, 09:56 AM   #4
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Vehicles 10 years or older can be declared “exempt” from federal odometer tampering laws and that will be indicated on the title. Once declared, if a later seller includes an actual number, they become liable for it’s complete accuracy, regardless of how many previous owners it had, they are subject to the state’s deceptive practices laws, and possibly fraud.

This is a real issue for dealers, they are not pulling your leg.

It didn't exempt them from odometer tampering after 10 years. So many older odometers only went to 99,999 that it was difficult to tell if a 15 year old car showed 65,437 or 165,437, especially if it had been through a few owners, so it was exempt from reporting. That changed to 20 years last year, so my totally amateur opinion is that it should say 79,000.

https://dmvnv.com/news/20023-new-odometer-rules.htm

As far as hurting your resale, I'd tell Camping World you want a CarFax report. That should list mileages at sales and any maintenance that was done at reporting dealers or service locations. With a motor home it might have some big gaps but will give a history that should remove any doubt from most people's minds. If it has a 6 digit odometer that will help a lot also.
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There isn't any reason why any vehicle sold since 2000 and earlier for that; should have exempt on the title.

Odometers have showed that extra digit since than.
My 95 car shows 6 digits, my 86 only 5. (not counting the tenth mile digit obviously..)
So did someone tamper with the odometer and it really isn't 79k?
That is shady ..
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It didn't exempt them from odometer tampering after 10 years. So many older odometers only went to 99,999 that it was difficult to tell if a 15 year old car showed 65,437 or 165,437, especially if it had been through a few owners, so it was exempt from reporting. That changed to 20 years last year, so my totally amateur opinion is that it should say 79,000.

https://dmvnv.com/news/20023-new-odometer-rules.htm

As far as hurting your resale, I'd tell Camping World you want a CarFax report. That should list mileages at sales and any maintenance that was done at reporting dealers or service locations. With a motor home it might have some big gaps but will give a history that should remove any doubt from most people's minds. If it has a 6 digit odometer that will help a lot also.
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There isn't any reason why any vehicle sold since 2000 and earlier for that; should have exempt on the title.

Odometers have showed that extra digit since than.
My 95 car shows 6 digits, my 86 only 5. (not counting the tenth mile digit obviously..)
So did someone tamper with the odometer and it really isn't 79k?
That is shady ..

The point is, the title already had "Exempt" indicated in the odometer section, prior to the sale by the dealer. The vehicle had been titled in Nebraska and the "Exempt" was made on the document. Camping World, the dealer, is obligated to resell the vehicle with the same declaration or else must document the actual mileage it records on the document, under penalty of possible fraud.


As far as the new law applies, that 20 year period begins with 2011 year vehicles, and the coach in question is a 2006. It is still exempt.


This has nothing to do with the number of digits on an odometer. Period. It has to do with the federal law regarding odometer tampering, and state laws that encompass that requirement. Nebraska allows dealers to "Exempt" mileage once the vehicle is 10 years old, as does federal law. That was done. Nothing shady about it, it is a convenience for used car dealers.

In this case, the dealer is out on a limp because someone included an odometer reading on the sales contract, probably because the vehicle did have adequate digits on the odometer and the person did not have actual possession of the title. When the title arrived from Nebraska, it was discovered the odometer was "Exempt." That forced Camping World to arrange a new contract for the buyer.

This is not a scam.
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The point is, the title already had "Exempt" indicated in the odometer section, prior to the sale by the dealer. The vehicle had been titled in Nebraska and the "Exempt" was made on the document. Camping World, the dealer, is obligated to resell the vehicle with the same declaration or else must document the actual mileage it records on the document, under penalty of possible fraud.


As far as the new law applies, that 20 year period begins with 2011 year vehicles, and the coach in question is a 2006. It is still exempt.


This has nothing to do with the number of digits on an odometer. Period. It has to do with the federal law regarding odometer tampering, and state laws that encompass that requirement. Nebraska allows dealers to "Exempt" mileage once the vehicle is 10 years old, as does federal law. That was done. Nothing shady about it, it is a convenience for used car dealers.

In this case, the dealer is out on a limp because someone included an odometer reading on the sales contract, probably because the vehicle did have adequate digits on the odometer and the person did not have actual possession of the title. When the title arrived from Nebraska, it was discovered the odometer was "Exempt." That forced Camping World to arrange a new contract for the buyer.

This is not a scam.
I never said it was a scam, shady practice it is. A convenience befitting them.
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I never said it was a scam, shady practice it is. A convenience befitting them.
Not saying you called it a scam. I was responding, in that part, to the op who was worried, and anyone else who viewed it as a possible scam.


Still, I disagree that it is even shady. The dealer has no choice regarding the "Exempt" status, unless he wants the hassle of verifying a vehicle on which he has no history. This has nothing to do with what should be recorded on titles, it's what the law allows and what dealers do for their convenience.



Sorry for the confusion.
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When you purchase a used vehicle, and in particular with one that is listed as "exempt" for the mileage on the title, there is no way you being the purchaser or a middle man (Camping World in this case) can legally guarantee that the mileage is accurate. I would simply sign the paperwork if that is the only change and enjoy the RV. ~CA
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I never said it was a scam, shady practice it is. A convenience befitting them.
It's the law. It's not shady.
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shady? i don't know...
but, unless you got a steal of a deal, i'd hand it back to the dealer in exchange for your money...
if i were buying it, i would expect a huge deduction in price...
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if i were to keep it, with this change, i would expect a nice pile of money from the dealer.
maybe i would want half the cost of putting in a reman engine installed... and that only after having the engine checked by a competent engine specialist, maybe have the oil tested?
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shady? i don't know...
but, unless you got a steal of a deal, i'd hand it back to the dealer in exchange for your money...
if i were buying it, i would expect a huge deduction in price...
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if i were to keep it, with this change, i would expect a nice pile of money from the dealer.
maybe i would want half the cost of putting in a reman engine installed... and that only after having the engine checked by a competent engine specialist, maybe have the oil tested?
Which would leave you with no RV. In today’s market, the dealer has people standing in line to buy and little to no inventory. As does every other dealer. They are not going to refund you a pile of cash, they’ll just sell it to the next guy in line. So who are you spiting by doing the above? Yourself.

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mr. usa,
great suggestion...
we disagree...

the guy that bought gets to make his choice!
and live with it...

you'd not mind...

i'd mind...

i don't mind what you choose!
or the owner... just saying what i'd do...

knowing our local camper world does affect my decision... they would/could not tell me the truth when i tried to buy there... not just the sales lady but the sales management... so... that does affect my decision...

since that experience in 2017, i've bought 4 rv's... camping world never got another shot at my business... but i know 1000s of folks are buying from them. i wish the customers good fortune!
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The transmission module should have a permanent recording of actual mileage traveled.
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