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Old 05-31-2018, 12:23 PM   #309
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We stayed at Ft. Picken's campground in Pensacola on the national seashore two years ago. We had a guy pull in on one of the swamp side campsites in Loop A and put up his American flag on a small mast attached to his RV's ladder.

He then proceeded to put up three sets of LED spot lights and focus them on the flag. These were not subdued lighting. More like a car lot advertising with those big search lights. I am not exaggerating this either. My wife and I began calling him "Captain America."

If you have ever been to this park, it is really flat except for the dunes at seas edge. To illustrate how bright this guys lights/flag were, you could actually see the lighting from about half way down the island (four miles) though the ever present night fog. We are night birds, we are up until the wee hours reading or using our computers. Our shades are always drawn at night but it was like having the sun up at 1 AM.

That same evening (Captain Americas first night in the park) The rangers either noticed this lighting or his immediate neighbors complained about him because they came to this guys camper. The lights went out immediately but the guy left the flag flying.

The next night the guy did the same thing. This time, the rangers escorted him and his rig out of the campground at around 11pm but not without a lot of slamming and banging as he dismantled his camp.

I would put this person in the category of inconsiderate and uncaring. Yes, of course he has the right to fly our flag. But when you pollute 8-12 campsites with bright light it's likely that this guy was inconsiderate. I mean "Here's your sign" inconsiderate.

Regarding a dark night skies. It is simply beautiful to have an adult beverage and look at the stars and talk with your loved ones.
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We stayed at Ft. Picken's campground in Pensacola on the national seashore two years ago. We had a guy pull in on one of the swamp side campsites in Loop A and put up his American flag on a small mast attached to his RV's ladder.

He then proceeded to put up three sets of LED spot lights and focus them on the flag. These were not subdued lighting. More like a car lot advertising with those big search lights. I am not exaggerating this either. My wife and I began calling him "Captain America."

If you have ever been to this park, it is really flat except for the dunes at seas edge. To illustrate how bright this guys lights/flag were, you could actually see the lighting from about half way down the island (four miles) though the ever present night fog. We are night birds, we are up until the wee hours reading or using our computers. Our shades are always drawn at night but it was like having the sun up at 1 AM.

That same evening (Captain Americas first night in the park) The rangers either noticed this lighting or his immediate neighbors complained about him because they came to this guys camper. The lights went out immediately but the guy left the flag flying.

The next night the guy did the same thing. This time, the rangers escorted him and his rig out of the campground at around 11pm but not without a lot of slamming and banging as he dismantled his camp.

I would put this person in the category of inconsiderate and uncaring. Yes, of course he has the right to fly our flag. But when you pollute 8-12 campsites with bright light it's likely that this guy was inconsiderate. I mean "Here's your sign" inconsiderate.

Regarding a dark night skies. It is simply beautiful to have an adult beverage and look at the stars and talk with your loved ones.
"when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed 24 hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness. The American Legion interprets “ proper illumination” as a light specifically placed to illuminate the flag (preferred) or having a light source sufficient to illuminate the flag so it is recognizable as such by the casual observer"

This is the guidance I specifically try to follow with my single LED with its 50 lumen output. It illuminates the flags just enough so a passerby walking by it can just recognize it for what it is.
Over the years I have met enough false patriots to come to realize the truth in the quote attributed to Samuel Johnson that "patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."
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Watching.................
While dry camping......Dispersed/Primitive or any other areas without "camping supports"

Gennie on auto start to keep the batteries intact (nearly an "all electric" coach & Wife must use a C-pac)
Mandatory to fire off the Gennie for the A/C if inside coach temps are above 70/75 deg. at night for the wife's comfort

Rare to have a campfire..(wife has severe COPD)
Muted & indirect lighting under the coach for rodent control...(yes it does seem to help)


NO.... I am not spending thousands for the latest and greatest Lithium batteries & thousands more just to have holes poked into my pristine roof by adding a large solar array .. and solar will not run the A/C's no matter how large an array one can mount on a roof.




Fire wall up...... let the flaming begin
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Watching.................
While dry camping......

Gennie on auto start to keep the batteries intact (nearly an "all electric" coach & Wife must use a C-pac)
Mandatory to fire off the Gennie for the A/C if inside coach temps are above 70/75 deg. at night for the wife's comfort

Rare to have a campfire..(wife has severe COPD)
Muted & indirect lighting under the coach for rodent control...(yes it does seem to help)


NO.... I am not spending thousands for the latest and greatest Lithium batteries & thousands more just to have holes poked into my pristine roof adding a large solar array .. and solar will not run the A/C's no matter how large an array one can mount on a roof.




Fire wall up...... let the flaming begin
Nope, I feel for you. If they want primitive they should go where it is primitive.
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IMHO, it seems this thread, which subject began as Inconsiderate RVers, has evolved to include Intolerant RVers. And while the main complaint is lighting from the glaring to “any” after dark, I’ve seen little complaints about the neighboring campfires, whether they are bonfires or the smoldering, Smokey type that may pollute the “atmosphere “ that some desire for their camping experience.
Most of the RVers I’ve met are considerate. There are a few that are a holes. But I’ve found that this is true wherever life takes you.
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... Wife and I always enjoy a GOOD “excuse “ to justify ones actions.....Pulling out a “sympathy card”, not as much.....
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IMHO, it seems this thread, which subject began as Inconsiderate RVers, has evolved to include Intolerant RVers.
This thread is an excellent demonstration of how apologists use fallacious arguments, in this case trying to portray themselves as victims when in fact they are perpetrators, to thoroughly confuse the issue.
I suspect many rape victims who are brave enough to testify against their rapist are revictimized by this technique.
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"when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed 24 hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness. The American Legion interprets “ proper illumination” as a light specifically placed to illuminate the flag (preferred) or having a light source sufficient to illuminate the flag so it is recognizable as such by the casual observer"
Is there anything to stop you from putting the light at top of pole, shinning down so any light wasted would shine down on your site?
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Is there anything to stop you from putting the light at top of pole, shinning down so any light wasted would shine down on your site?
Only you and your willingness to observe unwritten social conventions and your conscience. The U S Supreme Court has ruled no one is legally proscribed from doing anything to the National Ensign including burning it.
Non-binding guidance can be found online from organizations like the American Legion.
The top-mounted lights on RV site campsites I have seen are pretty bright and are so close to the flag they usually light the flagpole better than the flag. They may be more suitable for RV Resorts and RV Parks.
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This thread is an excellent demonstration of how apologists use fallacious arguments, in this case trying to portray themselves as victims when in fact they are perpetrators, to thoroughly confuse the issue.
I suspect many rape victims who are brave enough to testify against their rapist are revictimized by this technique.
Wow.

Carry on.
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Only you and your willingness to observe unwritten social conventions and your conscience. The U S Supreme Court has ruled no one is legally proscribed from doing anything to the National Ensign including burning it.
Non-binding guidance can be found online from organizations like the American Legion.
The top-mounted lights on RV site campsites I have seen are pretty bright and are so close to the flag they usually light the flagpole better than the flag. They may be more suitable for RV Resorts and RV Parks.
Not sure what my conscience has do do with it. I'm not talking about light on top of RV, but a light at the top of pole pointed down. A very small light would make the flag recognizable. And any light that did not hit the flag would light the area at base of pole.
Maybe a market if somebody wanted to put dusk to dawn switch, LEDs and batteries in ball to mount on pole...
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Wow.

Carry on.
Hit a nerve, did I?
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Hit a nerve, did I?
A nerve? Why?

I've said several times now that we should all take into consideration that everyone enjoys camping differently and what one person considers inappropriate someone else might not.

It really seems like you should get as far away from people as possible to avoid anyone ruining your idea of camping.
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