Looking for Class A or C input with Toys

[scrowell52]

Originally Posted by knightstorm

Newmar used to make a mid-engine diesel pusher toy hauler.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/newmarcorp....mid-diesel.pdf

It's interesting to see what might be done.

Interesting, although as our trike is 9-1/2 feet long, it wouldn't fit in a side load garage.

[Scarab0088]

Originally Posted by knightstorm

Newmar used to make a mid-engine diesel pusher toy hauler.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/newmarcorp....mid-diesel.pdf

It's interesting to see what might be done.

The mid-engine Newmar AllStar came in 3 garage versions...including a traditional rear entry w/ rear ramp for a 10' deep garage. See photos here:
http://www.irv2.com/forums/f258/clas...ml#post1252075

But these mid-engine rigs (Travel Supreme ME and Newmar AllStar) had heat related engine issues and heat saturation entering the cabin. Really too bad, because the mid engine concept seems to be a great improvement over front or rear engine chassis for balance, driveline simplicity and storage concerns.

Safe travels

[midiwiz]

Originally Posted by Scarab0088

All right. Your needs are becoming even more clear. But glad you are at least considering the Newmar...a Class A Toy Hauler has so much to offer bike riders

Rental car delivery IS a problem in the great spaces west of the Mississippi. But if your travels keep you east, that's great.



Just so it is said...the Revolution by Fleetwood was discontinued after 2012...so this means you are willing to look at used (?).

So, if NOT getting a toy hauler and NOT pulling a trailer, RV selection can be based on floor plan...get what you like in the price point you are comfortable with. The gas vs. Diesel discussion would not a big deal...any Class A or C will pull one of those dolly/deck rigs. The Super C's will really be an over-kill, typically having towing capacity STARTING at 10,000lb...with a price point to match.

And finally, please notice that these dolly/deck rigs have no brakes or spring suspension. But that is really no problem for carriage of a vehicle that doesn't weight too much. Our neighbor has one of these rigs for his Rhino and several dirt bikes. He seems to love it. But, he's still jealous when he sees us loading everything inside our Outlaw.

Best luck

Yes the used market is definitely in play. Having had 5 kids the expectation to have any sort of retirement left the futures long ago LOL.

The reason the consideration of Super C, is that wife feels like she can handle that if need be where the Class A still freaks her out. (so far)

my reason of thinking diesel over gas is that diesels can haul for many many more miles than gas.

I typically look at a couple things whenever I do something -

overkill (typically means I'll get longer life and better use)
do it once not many times
in this area - can I live with this unit and not want another one

as for the dolly/lift. I would love it if the unit could handle the lift version without a lot of change in suspension. I've read that dual rears works better for them due to that they push the weight limit on the rear axle, but I've also read that the lift on the front end would be of concern. So that wins a garage vote LOL, but I'm game. I don't think I would put a Boss Hoss on a lift, maybe on the non lift version. Of course I could always stay Harley...

hope that gave more fill ins

[midiwiz]

after this morning's reading I can see that if I do Class A I need to make sure the radiator is on the side not the back. Which is taking a number of them out of the running....makes life easier LOL.

[Scarab0088]

Originally Posted by midiwiz

Yes the used market is definitely in play. Having had 5 kids the expectation to have any sort of retirement left the futures long ago LOL.

The reason the consideration of Super C, is that wife feels like she can handle that if need be where the Class A still freaks her out. (so far)

my reason of thinking diesel over gas is that diesels can haul for many many more miles than gas.

I typically look at a couple things whenever I do something -

overkill (typically means I'll get longer life and better use)
do it once not many times
in this area - can I live with this unit and not want another one

as for the dolly/lift. I would love it if the unit could handle the lift version without a lot of change in suspension. I've read that dual rears works better for them due to that they push the weight limit on the rear axle, but I've also read that the lift on the front end would be of concern. So that wins a garage vote LOL, but I'm game. I don't think I would put a Boss Hoss on a lift, maybe on the non lift version. Of course I could always stay Harley...

hope that gave more fill ins

I know of no "lift" that will handle a trike. The Fastmaster swivelwheel linked in the first post does not "lift". It is a dolly/deck. Dolly/decks can handle much higher weights, because of the rear wheels. There is a only a fraction of the torsion placed on the RV frame compared to a lift.

All the makers of bike lifts require the RV to be a Diesel Pusher or Class 6 or bigger Super C...and they prefer the design be a tag or tandem axle design - because of weight and balence. A Boss Hoss bike could be on a lift...but not their trike models.

Just FYI, the term "Dual Rears" is two tires on each end of a single axle...very different from a tag and tandem axle chassis.

Yes, side radiator DP would be best. But, that is true for any DP.

So, like I wrote earlier...because you've stated no particulars about the RV's interior, you can really pick any RV you like.

The very common fallacy that a heavy duty chassis will work better than a medium duty is trading ease of use for cost (including MPG), complexity and expense of maintenance. RV's are typically driven only a fraction of the miles that their commercial counterparts drive.

Like, there is no reason to have a Prevost bus conversion or Navistar Truck if driving only 5-10,000 miles a year (unless towing a stacker trailer). The RV chassis from Spartan, Freightliner, etc. will preform just as well or better and cost only a fraction in purchase and care.

Finally, about driving...be sure to mention to the Mrs. that most Class C's are the same size (width and height) behind the driver's seat as a Class A. And all Class C's are a reduction in the interior because the Class C has the truck/van cab, so you lose that extra 5-7 feet of front living room floor space.

Best luck

[midiwiz]

Originally Posted by Scarab0088

I know of no "lift" that will handle a trike. The Fastmaster swivelwheel linked in the first post does not "lift". It is a dolly/deck. Dolly/decks can handle much higher weights, because of the rear wheels. There is a only a fraction of the torsion placed on the RV frame compared to a lift.

All the makers of bike lifts require the RV to be a Diesel Pusher or Class 6 or bigger Super C...and they prefer the design be a tag or tandem axle design - because of weight and balence. A Boss Hoss bike could be on a lift...but not their trike models.

So aside from the speed limitation of the swivelwheel, I take it any RV can "pull" that?

[Scarab0088]

Originally Posted by midiwiz

So aside from the speed limitation of the swivelwheel, I take it any RV can "pull" that?

Yep

This is SO true, that these swivelwheel decks are VERY often mounted on a traditional 5th wheel. The weight of the load is split between the RV frame/mount and swivelwheels.

The connection to the RV can pivot up and down for road conditions, making the device very easy on the RV frame.

The only issue that some owners have found is registration particulars. Some states call it a trailer and require tags...some states consider it just part of the RV.
Our neighbors are using the "easier to ask forgiveness, than permission" motto, skipping the registration requirement here. So far it has worked for them

Best luck

[JeffAZ]

Here is a rare class C diesel Outlaw with the garage for sale in AZ, might be worth a look.

2014 THOR OUTLAW 35SG Stock: 5672 | Orangewood RV Center

[midiwiz]

interesting.... any takes on Winnebago diesels?

[midiwiz]

guess not?

[Scarab0088]

Originally Posted by midiwiz

interesting.... any takes on Winnebago diesels?

Just a suggestion...post a different thread in the Winnie Owner's Forum...and be sure to include year and model in the post.
See; http://www.irv2.com/forums/f101/

iRV2 is SO BIG, many would not see your question here.

And...the maker only picks the chassis maker - so the chassis forums is your best bet to find details about anything specific.
See: http://www.irv2.com/forums/f15/
All RV makers are out of the chassis business (gov't mandates too complex).
Currently, they all buy from Ford, GM, Fiat-Chrysler, Spartan, Freightliner, or Prevost. (Workhorse is now only making hybrid and electric chassis...but, that would be interesting)

BTW, what Winnie are you thinking of?

[midiwiz]

Originally Posted by Scarab0088

Just a suggestion...post a different thread in the Winnie Owner's Forum...and be sure to include year and model in the post.
See; http://www.irv2.com/forums/f101/

iRV2 is SO BIG, many would not see your question here.

And...the maker only picks the chassis maker - so the chassis forums is your best bet to find details about anything specific.
See: http://www.irv2.com/forums/f15/
All RV makers are out of the chassis business (gov't mandates too complex).
Currently, they all buy from Ford, GM, Fiat-Chrysler, Spartan, Freightliner, or Prevost. (Workhorse is now only making hybrid and electric chassis...but, that would be interesting)

BTW, what Winnie are you thinking of?

Thanks for that info... I just figured why ask a Winnie owner that would be biased I thought.

It's a DL M-36GD