Low payload capacities

[Rob-c]

Hi all, new guy looking and doing my do diligence in research to buy my first M/H . So a bit about myself , im a auto tech, but also worked in a bus garage so i do know my way around the HD side also. Been doing it for 30 plus years. The one thing that jumps out to me is the low payload capacity's on MH’s , I'm seeing that 2000 pounds is pretty standard across most, In the grand scheme of things that isn't much.

I'm a big guy 6-3 270 , wife is 160 . So when one starts adding up full fresh water tank , clothing , linens, food , extra tools etc. also dont forget to figure in tongue weight if towing also , 2000 pounds is met pretty quickly . Our weight plus full water tank and our 80 pound lab is about 837 pounds give or take a pound depending on tank capacity.
I have found models with 3000 pound and higher, so we will be concentrating on those . I just wanted to post my little rant for those that may not have cargo capacity on their radar when looking .

[jacwjames]

You are correct to be concerned.
Better to be aware and buy accordingly then to suffer the consequences later


A couple years ago a new owner posted if he could drain the water heater to gain the weight because his CCC was so low he couldn't pack comfortably to travel.









My first RV was a Class C and for it's size had lots of carrying capacity and since there wasn't much storage area I never was concerned.

Our current coach is a 2002 Monaco Windsor, in it's day a very nice rig. It actually has less CCC then our previous Class C. So we do have to watch but our CCC does include full propane, fuel, and fresh water plus occupants. And the coach is build solid, no sort cuts in construction compared to newer coaches.

[3pedal]

I agree with your focus on 3K pound and higher. My Seabreeze and Excel both had over 3K CCC. Never had any issue. My Monaco is in the 2000lb family. Knowing what I generally carry thought I would be fine. Got it weighed, and while I still have chassis capacity, my rear axle, with very little in the back is at weight. My closet was mostly empty.



I am considering pulling the washing machine that is in the rear closet and swapping to Lithium batteries just to remove weight from behind the rear axle.



I assume a 3000lb class or better unit would have more capacity on both axles.

[Where-2]

I am in the early research phase as well, but the above is the reason that I stopped looking at Winnebago Vistas. I loved the features and length of the NP edition until I saw a video review of one with a CCC just a bit over 1000lb. I still want something under 35' for easier NP and State Park access, but I moved on to the 22k-24k lb F53 chassis with 22.5" wheels or shorter Freightliner DPs. Also thinking about maybe something on the F550/600 or S2RV Freightliner chassis for ease of maintenance. It is a challenge to come to grips with compromises like folding beds or bad cab to coach access on most of those. Living in Northern VA, it will also be hard to deal with the Personal Property tax on these more expensive RVs, so I will definitely be looking at used.

[d23haynes57]

If you are willing to accept some age consider one of the smaller but tank like built Country Coach or Foretravel rigs.

https://www.motorhomesoftexas.com/Pr...69297?ref=list

https://www.motorhomesoftexas.com/Pr...12156?ref=list

[Rob-c]

Originally Posted by jacwjames

You are correct to be concerned.
Better to be aware and buy accordingly then to suffer the consequences later


A couple years ago a new owner posted if he could drain the water heater to gain the weight because his CCC was so low he couldn't pack comfortably to travel.









My first RV was a Class C and for it's size had lots of carrying capacity and since there wasn't much storage area I never was concerned.

Our current coach is a 2002 Monaco Windsor, in it's day a very nice rig. It actually has less CCC then our previous Class C. So we do have to watch but our CCC does include full propane, fuel, and fresh water plus occupants. And the coach is build solid, no sort cuts in construction compared to newer coaches.

Ok , i reread that and i see i misread it ……

Quick question , so am i reading the last paragraph correct? That your curb weight of your MH includes full propane , gas , fresh water tanks and occupant's ? So none of that weight goes towards you ccc? If so i wonder how i can find this info for used ones, i have googled quite a few and im seeing it isn't included .

[d23haynes57]

Curb Weight normally includes all fluids needed for operation including full tank or fuel. It does not include propane or water. The Coach label should have those loads calculated and the final remaining CCC listed. Note, that does not include weight distribution over the axles.

[Rob-c]

Originally Posted by d23haynes57

Curb Weight normally includes all fluids needed for operation including full tank or fuel. It does not include propane or water. The Coach label should have those loads calculated and the final remaining CCC listed. Note, that does not include weight distribution over the axles.

Right , thats what i thought . Thats why im questioning his last paragraph, maybe im reading it wrong. And yes i’m aware of gvwr labels on vehicles but it would be nice if the manufacturer's would list curb weight when looking up specs online .

[Skip426]

Originally Posted by Rob-c

Quick question , so am i reading the last paragraph correct? That your curb weight of your MH includes full propane , gas , fresh water tanks and occupant's ? So none of that weight goes towards you ccc? If so i wonder how i can find this info for used ones, i have googled quite a few and im seeing it isn't included .

Some ; not all ; manufacturers do their CCC ( OCCC ) calculations , wet ; that's weights of all fluids and a 150# allowance for the driver are considered before the actual payload is determined .

Details are in the small print on the RV weight sticker and some manufacturers weigh each coach at the end of the assembly line to , accurately produce the sticker, and place the sticker with serial number in the coach.

[Rob-c]

Originally Posted by Skip426

Some ; not all ; manufacturers do their CCC ( OCCC ) calculations , wet ; that's weights of all fluids and a 150# allowance for the driver are considered before the actual payload is determined .

Details are in the small print on the RV weight sticker and some manufacturers weigh each coach at the end of the assembly line to , accurately produce the sticker, and place the sticker with serial number in the coach.

Thank you good to know , i guess if we find one on line were interested in ill have them send me a picture of the rv weight sticker if its a bit of a drive .

[d23haynes57]

Curb weights are usually not accurate. Would be nice if they listed weight as built, for each axle or better yet wheel position. Curb weight may be on the title or registration. My curb weight is just over 39,000 pounds. Weighing it on drive home with just me it was actually 41,300 pounds.

[jaydee325]

Newmar always has been one of the best to list weights. For example, here is a screen shot from a 2016 Baystar brochure:



Of course the UVW and NCC will vary from the base published specs because these values don't include optional equipment. The sticker in the built coach will be accurate for the total build. Another thing Newmar does is if you contact them with the VIN and coach number, they will email you a sheet showing the weight of the coach as it rolled off the line including weights at each wheel.

I wish others were as detailed.

[Rob-c]

Originally Posted by d23haynes57

Curb weights are usually not accurate. Would be nice if they listed weight as built, for each axle or better yet wheel position. Curb weight may be on the title or registration. My curb weight is just over 39,000 pounds. Weighing it on drive home with just me it was actually 41,300 pounds.

More good info , just another reason to find one with a high ccc .

[jacwjames]

Originally Posted by Rob-c

Ok , i reread that and i see i misread it ……

Quick question , so am i reading the last paragraph correct? That your curb weight of your MH includes full propane , gas , fresh water tanks and occupant's ? So none of that weight goes towards you ccc? If so i wonder how i can find this info for used ones, i have googled quite a few and im seeing it isn't included .

Yes, on my sticker in the bedroom closet they include those weights. Not sure if the standard changed or if Monaco did it different. I still only have about ~1850 CCC after water, propane deducted. So that would be close to 3K!