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"007" · 10-19-2004, 12:16 PM

Newmar has developed a cover for the air intake that will prevent water from being ingested into the engine air-filter.
If you contact a Workhorse facility close to you and have them call Newmar they will send the parts and installation instructions to them as well as authorize the repair.

Edmund A Skibinski · 10-23-2004, 10:25 PM

Thanks 007, for the update.

"007" · 10-25-2004, 06:08 PM

Thank ED. An congraulations on your new 2005 motor home. Does your air intake look any different from your previous workhorse chassie. NEWMAR was suppose to have put a kit on their coachs for the 2005 year. "007"

Edmund A Skibinski · 10-26-2004, 03:14 PM

007 It looks to me like it sits higher up, in the engine bay and that it as a different angle at the top .

Vetteldy76 · 10-27-2004, 01:29 AM

Hello all,

We just got our 2005 Newmar Scottsdale. I had not heard anything about a problem with water in the intake. Do you guys think ours would be alright? In other words have they fixed this issue with the new ones. Ours is a WH-22

Fillitup · 10-27-2004, 06:42 AM

Vetteldy76...
If you open the front hood and look to the left and see a round opening that looks somewhat like the opening of the front of a horn and it is round with some wire over it, then it does not have the fix. The aftermarket fix Newmar put on mine a few months ago is a greyish, long baffle looking cover that completely covers up the round "horn like" opening. Hope this helps. The 05s from the factory might have something different, but this is what Newmar put on mine and at the time they said it was what they were going to be using to keep water from going down the "horn-like" opening for air intake for the ehgine. From some post above it sounds like they may have just moved the horn upwards to keep it from sucking in water in the 05s. Not sure how this would work because I had many conversations with Newmar regarding this and one of the problems they found in testing Scottsdales was that the wipers would funnel water to the top of the hood opening and that the water was coming in the top crack of the opening mainly from the wiper action. It seems the new horn opening would have to be above the top crack for the hood panel. Maybe they also changed the direction it is pointing which should help some.

PairoDocs · 11-15-2004, 07:32 PM

We had the kit installed recently on our 2004 Kountry Star W22 gas. Took a 200 mile trip in the rain and after 140 miles the engine started missing, especially if we accelerated. The engine emissions light came on. The first time we experienced this was on a trip to Ohio, again in the rain. Back in Oklahoma City, we were told two spark plug wires were defective... not burned, no manifold leak. I took the unit to City Chevrolet for their analysis tonight. I've been monitering the forum on this issue for awhile. I'm rather perplexed as to why Workhorse and Newmar haven't developed a fix. As it stands I'm afraid to try another trip.
Any owners with success on limiting the amount of water thrown up by the right front wheel?

"007" · 11-16-2004, 11:02 AM

"Pairo Docs" I too have had this problem driving in the rain. Newmar told me they had a kit also. The Ford-v10's I had also had this same problem sucking water into the air intake. The rain water is directed by the windshield wipers thru the top of your hood access into your air intake thru your air filter to a senser that causes the motor to close down. "Not very good on a busy highway" doing 65mpg and your suddenly down to 45mpg with a eighteen wheeler close behind you, ask one who know's. I had the Banks systems installed on the Fords, they developed a fix directing the water out the back of the air scoop. This has been my only problem with the rain water, no problem with spark plug wires yet. I guess its back to the drawing board for Newmar again. Someone has said on this site that on the Newmar 2005's the air intake has been raised and turned away from the front access hatch. How does yours look? "007"

2001 Gas Dutch Star · 11-16-2004, 11:11 AM

I dont own a workhorse chasis ....my Dutch Star in on a Ford chasis but have the same trouble.

Contacted Newmar and of course they said it was a Ford problem to contact them and of course Fors said it was a Newmar problem.
But it seems that Newmar products Ford or Workhorse or the main ones having this trouble with water. Finally Ford told me of a cure they haev done and it works.They Ford guys told me go to local hardware store and buy an aluminum dryer vent hose and install in on the air intake and run it in a 90degree angle straight beside the aircleaner just above opening of grill. Dont point it toward it to the front just up, This finally cured my problem after several e-mails and phone calls to Newmar and Ford ...Ford finally had a solution to problem.

Seems that Newmar engineers would catch on to this and fix it on the newer models affected.

Hopes this helps a little.
even helped my fuel mileage a little.

"007" · 11-17-2004, 04:37 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by "007":
Newmar has developed a cover for the air intake that will prevent water from being ingested into the engine.If you contact a Workhorse facility close to you and have them call Newmar they will send the parts and installation instructions to them as well as authorize the repair. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> After reading everyones problems with the NEWMAR coachs sucking water into the air-intake and finding out that the supposed repair kit by NEWMAR isn't working on some rigs already converted with the kit, I said to myself their must be a better way to correct this problem. Looking at my front hood access there is a 3/8" gap between the moveable hood and the fiberglass body at the top. Within this gap are two hinges for the moveable hood. The gap is straight thru, no lips for deflection of water or anything else. This space is above the air-intake funnel so any water will be sucked up by air-intake. I purchased for $15 a BULB STYLE WEATHER-strip at Auto-Zone,the size is 7/8"+3/4"+8', the 3/4 is the base that is adhesive backed and the 7/8 is the round bulb that is attached to the base. It is made of EPDM sponge rubber to provide better protection against the elements than neoprene foam tape. The size of your space maybe smaller than mine(3/8) an you may only need a 1/2" bulb. The lenth of my hood opening is 6'. I cut off an inch,from both ends, of the 6' to allow the curved hood ends to close, without binding the hood in the corners of the opening of the fiberglass body. When you look at the hinges you will notice a 5/8" space behind the hinges on the fiberglass body.This is where I layed the weather-strip,you can guide the strip,with your fingers, along the back edge sticking it to the fiberglass. Removing the paper strip as you go,take your time because when it sticks it "sticks". Make sure you clean the fiberglass with a cleaner so the strip will stick on good. When you are done and you close the hood, you will not notice the weather strip because it will be on the back side of the hood edge. "SO DO YOU SAY WILL IT WORK?" I say it will. I had a garden hose full force sprayed on the face of the hood, thru the front openings and the air-intake funnel didn't have a drop of water along the upper edge, where the screen is,and not a drop on the screen like people have observed when they had a engine shut down. I don't know if this will help other owners like Winne's,Allegro's.etc. but they have not had this problem like we NEWMAR owners. If you have been having this problem I would suggest you check your air filter,it is paper, if its been wet it should be changed, your filter is accessed in a box in the passenger wheel well in back of the air dam. I for one will stick with this fix till someone comes up with a better one. -----------------Nov.--28th-- This same fix can be applied to the Fleetwood Storm & Southwind,I understand they have been having this same problem from other sites I have visited. You may have a different way of your hatch opening,but the weather-strip can be applied to the door or fiberglass body over the moverable door. You may not need the size I used, but one smaller,depends on the size of your crack opening. The purpose of the weather-strip is to close the upper crack and not allow water thru and into the air funnel. After this is done you will have raised your funnel opening,the width of your door, by this operation. I know this will work because other people have e-mailed me,to say it has for them, from other sites.-----"007"

PairoDocs · 11-21-2004, 07:56 PM

007,
The air horn points forward and a little up. The Newmmar fix did not work...it is a black half circle that covers the front of the air intake but opens to the driver side. We took it in to the dealer today, and they are going to fashion an extension that raises the intake above the 3/8 inch open slot between the hood and the chassis. I also stopped by Auto Zone this afternoon and purchased then installed the bulb style weatherstrip you described. Hopefully the combination of the two will work. I'll post after Dec. 6 (the day repairs are due to be completed.

DriVer · 11-21-2004, 11:59 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PairoDocs:
I also stopped by Auto Zone this afternoon and purchased then installed the bulb style weatherstrip you described. Hopefully the combination of the two will work. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>We're watching.

Please let us know how it all works out.

"007" · 11-22-2004, 12:46 AM

I would take the Newmar MOD. off, it seems to me that they are cutting down the air intake by 1/2,we should get all the air we can into the engine.I have not had any rain here as yet, you may beat me to the test. I have thought of raising the air horn up but will wait until after I test what I have done so far. I think you have done great so far, you have raised the air intake by 10 inches all ready with fix you have done,congratulations. "007"

"007" · 11-24-2004, 05:29 PM

Well before I get started I would like to wish everyone on irv2 a happy "THANKSGIVING DAY" don't gobble to much turkey or pies.

Guess what,we finally have rain. The big test has been made on this dark rainy nite and I'm pleased to say I'm giving all my NEWMAR friends an early Christmas present. What a pleasure to get behind the wheel of one of the best rides there is WH.
I took the coach for about a 75 mile spin.I stopped twice,a rest area an a gas station. After driving about 45 miles thru heavy rain,I stopped in a rest area. Stopped because I wanted to check the air intake tube,not a drop completely dry only thing in tube was road dust.I'm driving about 65 to the gas station, start filling her up after putting in three bottles of Stable,I put in 55 gal. for $100, while filling, checked air tube again same result "DRY". So there you are folks the test came out with an A+.
I would like to say to "PairoDocs" I would cancel your Dec.6 appointment,don't let them cut your air tube to raise it, I don't know if Workhorse would appreciate it, the water problem is not there's it is NEWMARS. I would also remove the modification that Newmar put on,if its cutting your air flow by 1/2 it may effect your gas mileage an or your engine. Maybe someone on irv2 can verify the air flow thoughts.
If you Newmar owners haven't done the fix yet I would go ahead an try it what do you have to lose. Just so you all know I have sent two e-mails with all this and previous information to NEWMAR I will be sending another next Monday. If people with Ford chassis would let me know if they tried to contact "Banks," what was the result. Thanks for following, "007"