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Old 05-29-2020, 08:05 PM   #1
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Yesterday I barely avoided getting my wife and I killed. Our brakes quit as I was trying to make a u-turn in a auto repair facility. Thankfully I was able to stop and put blocks under the wheels, but what a wake up call. We had just been through heavy traffic in Fort Worth. Now my Onan 5500 generator is surging and putting out voltage 113 to 124 volts and after shutting it down refuses to restart. Dang it, what is next.
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Brakes quit? I'll stab a guess that the power steering belt broke making the U turn which then lost the power brake booster. The electric motor backup should kick in when that happens. Ultimately you should still have non boosted brakes but that would require a real stompin to slow down the rig.

Generator - I am sure not related to the other two issues.

Might be a good time to go front to back and do maintenance / inspection.
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Old 05-29-2020, 08:55 PM   #3
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Yesterday I barely avoided getting my wife and I killed. Our brakes quit as I was trying to make a u-turn in a auto repair facility. Thankfully I was able to stop and put blocks under the wheels, but what a wake up call. We had just been through heavy traffic in Fort Worth. Now my Onan 5500 generator is surging and putting out voltage 113 to 124 volts and after shutting it down refuses to restart. Dang it, what is next.
just how fast were you making the U-Turn?
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Ever watch the foot cams of a race car driver? He knows when he will need the brakes so he will pump the pedal just before so he knows he will have a good solid pedal. Doesn't wait until the last second.
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The problem was the loss of all brake fluid. There are several lines leading out of the master cylinder which are heat taped to protect them from the exhaust. The heat tape held in moisture and contaminants corroding through two lines enough they spewed out the brake fluid. Rapid brake loss happened within seconds.
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The problem was the loss of all brake fluid. There are several lines leading out of the master cylinder which are heat taped to protect them from the exhaust. The heat tape held in moisture and contaminants corroding through two lines enough they spewed out the brake fluid. Rapid brake loss happened within seconds.
Both front and rear brakes at the same time?
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Wow. Thanks for posting. At least you were able to get stopped. Apparently you were victim to the "law of unintended consequences" where a modification to protect the brake lines from excess heat caused another problem. I have read of people adding a separate heat shield near the exhaust manifold and intend to do something like that.

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The problem was the loss of all brake fluid. There are several lines leading out of the master cylinder which are heat taped to protect them from the exhaust. The heat tape held in moisture and contaminants corroding through two lines enough they spewed out the brake fluid. Rapid brake loss happened within seconds.
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Wow. Thanks for posting. At least you were able to get stopped. Apparently you were victim to the "law of unintended consequences" where a modification to protect the brake lines from excess heat caused another problem. I have read of people adding a separate heat shield near the exhaust manifold and intend to do something like that.

Actually, according to the mechanic, the tape was factory installed.
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Every brake,PS or fuel I have repaired in the last 20 years have been at a rubber or plastic support holding water and rust.
On my truck I replace brake lines with copper nickel . In many countries these lines have to be rust proof so the same car sold there as in US will never have rusted lines.
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…."if not for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all".....as bad as it was, you were lucky to maintain control and prevent a disaster--so all is well that ends well!!!!! Parking brake or down shifting might have helped but in the heat of the moment, few of us have the situational awareness or time to react--I know this from personal experience....
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Actually, according to the mechanic, the tape was factory installed.

Sounds like it worked good for the last 20 years! A vehicle that old should have all the brake lines inspected as part of a yearly maintenance program.
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The 113-124v is engine surging caused by fuel level falling low in the float bowl, and w/ No Restart, suspeicion is INTERMITTENT/ FAILING FUEL PUMP. Typically, engine will restart after 15-30-minutes, but will die again and not restart after anywhere from 5-min to 45-minutes. Fuel FILTER is another possibility, but likely is clear and free-flowing. LUCK... new pump in $25-$30 range on internet, or $75-100 at Dealer? Typically easy, but slow job due to cramped area= 30-90-minute job if you have all tools.
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