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WayKar · 01-21-2008, 02:58 PM

I have seen several threads concerning lemon laws & the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act but have found this to be a very frustrating issue also. I recently spoke with a prominent AZ lemon law firm & the lawyer stated that "AZ is not a consumer friendly state." I then asked him about the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act and he stated they found the law didn't apply to AZ (hey I thought MMWA a Federal ACT). Would seem to me that maybe we shouldn't be purchasing RVs in states with slack lemon laws. Unfortunately, I also found out later that the dealership with which I have problems, has a bad rep with the BBB & is therefore inellible to be members.
Although I can't see writing another law just for RVers and making impossible demands for accommodations, etc. when the RV is out of service, there are enough of us RVers out there to bring strong pressure on our State Legistures to make the lemon laws apply to RVs.
I believe that all states should cover RVs under lemon law when a coach meets certain repair criteria such as: coach spends 30 or more days out of service for repairs in first year; has repairs under warranty that detract from value of coach; or has 3 or more repair attempts for same problem. Some states only cover chassis problems, but we all know that numerous repair problems whether they be cosmetic or seemingly minor soon mount up to lots of shop time and frustration.
Even though I'm not a full-timer, I like to be able to get in the coach with minium fuss & take off to enjoy the RVing lifestyle.
type of problems & see some other input.
I, for one, have found out way too late in which state I would never purchase an RV.
Would love input from anyone else with such experiences.

WayKar · 01-21-2008, 02:58 PM

I have seen several threads concerning lemon laws & the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act but have found this to be a very frustrating issue also. I recently spoke with a prominent AZ lemon law firm & the lawyer stated that "AZ is not a consumer friendly state." I then asked him about the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act and he stated they found the law didn't apply to AZ (hey I thought MMWA a Federal ACT). Would seem to me that maybe we shouldn't be purchasing RVs in states with slack lemon laws. Unfortunately, I also found out later that the dealership with which I have problems, has a bad rep with the BBB & is therefore inellible to be members.
Although I can't see writing another law just for RVers and making impossible demands for accommodations, etc. when the RV is out of service, there are enough of us RVers out there to bring strong pressure on our State Legistures to make the lemon laws apply to RVs.
I believe that all states should cover RVs under lemon law when a coach meets certain repair criteria such as: coach spends 30 or more days out of service for repairs in first year; has repairs under warranty that detract from value of coach; or has 3 or more repair attempts for same problem. Some states only cover chassis problems, but we all know that numerous repair problems whether they be cosmetic or seemingly minor soon mount up to lots of shop time and frustration.
Even though I'm not a full-timer, I like to be able to get in the coach with minium fuss & take off to enjoy the RVing lifestyle.
type of problems & see some other input.
I, for one, have found out way too late in which state I would never purchase an RV.
Would love input from anyone else with such experiences.

exrench · 01-21-2008, 03:29 PM

Whatever laws are passed,the manufacturers are able to escape their obligations in many cases in light of the price of gasoline.In my case,Fleetwood agreed to a warranty repair at a dealership 400 miles distant;this because I had lost confidence in my selling dealer and would not take my rig to their shop.So...I did the repairs myself.The cost of fuel is an umbrella for the manufacturers and it will only get worse.

Montana Griz · 01-21-2008, 03:36 PM

Has anyone ever had the CSP (Continued Service Plan) from Good Sam? Would like to hear if anyone has filed a claim and what their experiences are with this program.

Thanks

Max Hubrich · 01-21-2008, 03:54 PM

I have a policy with Good Sam-- CSP. I had one claim, a small leak in the front of the Allison transmission. They took care of it. Yanked the tranny, installed new (rubber) gromet washers on the pump retaining bolts, and a new front seal. I'm pleased------

WayKar · 01-21-2008, 08:47 PM

Thanks for your comments exrench. You are right about gasoline prices & that's why the lemon law should also require the manufacturer to pay mileage reimbursment when the dealership clearly cannot correct the problem after a couple of attempts. Some manufacturers offer reimbursement as a gesture of good will but this is not always the case & seems to center around in which state the coach was purchased & corresponding lemon law. I personally know about mileage expenses adding up quickly as have traveled 6,000 miles pursuing the elusive effective repair.
Your ability to make the repairs yourself is a gift but sure feel bad for the folks that don't have that ability.
I read the comments made for Good Sam Club survey & sure hope brings about some pressure to correct issues.

Route 66 · 01-22-2008, 02:26 AM

Montana Griz, welcome to iRV2.

I believe lemon laws only apply the chassis, as that is only part considered a "motor vehicle" under lemon laws.

Gary RVRoamer · 01-22-2008, 05:28 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I believe lemon laws only apply the chassis, as that is only part considered a "motor vehicle" under lemon laws. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Depends on the state - each has different laws. Many states exclude chassis with a GVWR over about 10k lbs and many also exclude the "home" part of a motorhome. But not all of them. Check your home state laws to see what applies, if anything (the stae where the RV is titled).

Ecker · 01-22-2008, 05:36 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WayKar:

Even though I'm not a full-timer, I like to be able to get in the coach with minium fuss & take off to enjoy the RVing lifestyle.
type of problems & see some other input.
I, for one, have found out way too late in which state I would never purchase an RV.
Would love input from anyone else with such experiences. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Good Sam Club formed an RV Owners Council and it in turn has joined the Association of State Lemon Law Administrators as a means to work to see if something can't be done to develop either a model law to be promoted to states or some other alternatives specifically related to RV's.

Tenn.Vol. · 01-24-2008, 06:37 AM

RV Romer is correct, as I was talking to an Ohio RV owner last yr. in Fl.
He said he had trouble with a Demon he had purchase in Ohio, and the lemon
law was only on the chassis(OH). Not on the BOX, so he was careful to check
which state covered BOTH. And in his search he found FL. coverd both.
He called Lazydays and they gave him wholesale on his coach.(site unseen)
Said he almost his A**, but was pleased to get out from under!!!!! Tenn.