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Old 05-04-2021, 01:51 PM   #1
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Help, Towed pushing/pulling RV

Hi All,

This question may be a repeat, sorry if it is.

I am looking for advice for a friend who is on his maiden voyage in his new, 2021 Class C.

First: he is no stranger to pulling heavy equipment on a trailer behind a one ton and he is a very capable guy.

The problem: his towed vehicle is pushing/pulling him all over the road at speeds over 35 mph. It is not bad on new pavement with no wind but with just the slightest wind or road "conditions" he is experiencing an unsafe situation to the point of leaving the towed behind for the remainder of their trip. The issue is when cruising, not breaking.

This is his first trip with the new RV and new to him towed vehicle. He has logged 700 miles on this trip before unhooking the towed and leaving it behind.

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*RV is a 2021 Jayco Redhawk 24B (Tow capacity is 7,500 lbs). Drives great
w/o towed.
*Towed is a newer Honda CRV (new to him and drives well on it's own with a
new alignment. GVW is 4,200 lbs, empty is around 3,200 lbs)
*Tow set up is a Road Master Flacon All Terrain, same for baseplate.
*Supplemental breaking system is not the issue.

I am hoping someone here has overcome a similar issue and can share some wisdom for him. I have shared this site with him and he will likely see this thread.

Let me know if you need more info and Thank You for any advice you can give.
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1) What model year CRV?
2) What is the height difference (if any) between the two ends of the towbar?
3) What does the label in the Redhawk list for GVWR, GCWR and OCCC?
4) How do you know that supplemental braking is not the issue?
5) Are there any extensions between hitch and towbar?
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I had a similar problem when we first got the CRV in 2012.
Have him disconnect the towed, but leave the tow bar in the MH receiver. Check the side to side movement, slop, between the draw bar on the tow bar and the MH receiver, I’ll guess there is between a 1/16” and 1/8” side to side play. At the end of the extended tow bar ~48” , that’s about 3” of tail wag 3500lbs.
My solution was to wedge in a couple of washers and use a hitch tight (or any other anti wobble device. That cured my issue with the tail wagging the dog, the CRV still tows without any problems.

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Ill guess there is between a 1/16 and 1/8 side to side play. At the end of the extended tow bar ~48 , thats about 3 of tail wag 3500lbs.
If that is a problem, I found the Roadmaster Quiet Hitch a decent solution. Link is here. Yes, I know $49 is a lot to pay for a glorified u-bolt.
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Some slop in the receiver isn't all that unusual and doesn't normally cause a problem like that. But if the toad isn't tracking well, any slop in the receiver exacerbates the problem.



It seems clear the CRV isn't tracking properly - it should stay docilely behind the coach and follow it. An off-center or too-high towbar or off-center base plate (on the CRV) can cause tail-wag; so can improperly set alignment on the CRV. Knobby "off-road" tires can also cause a light vehicle to track weirdly when towed. And the steering wheel in the CRV should be unlocked and free to turn, so the tires can adjust to the coach track.
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Thanks for all the advice so far. I am sending this link to my friend with the issue so he can see the ideas and questions himself.

You are all a great group and resource.
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Thanks for the tips so far, I am the friend/owner. The height difference is within spec of the tow bar at 2.75” (3” spec). I did buy and briefly test a 2” drop before the trip but it seemed to make no difference and extended the hitch (more leverage) so I decided to drive without it. I will try that again and also try a 3” drop.

The potential slop in the bar makes sense, I will try the u-bolt.

It’s a new to us 2012 CRV with 67K miles on it. I installed the plate myself and there was zero evidence of any prior front end damage when we had the bumper facade off. It has an alignment and tracks well alone. Newer highway tread tires.

The base weight from the factory is 11,500, with a max of 14,500 allowing 3,000 lbs of cargo. GCWR is 22,000.

Thanks for the ideas, it gives me a direction to go.

More ideas are certainly welcome.
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Is the steering wheel locked or is it free to turn when you are towing it?
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OK, since all of the good suggestions have already been stated, I'm going 'out of the box' here.

Tire pressures in the RV and toad are very important. Too much pressure and you can get wandering. To little and things get mushy. Get the RV weighed and check tire pressures as they relate to the tire size and weight.

Check and double check the hitch receiver on the RV for tightness and/or defects. Just the other day another owner posted where his receiver had broken and the toad and RV departed company. Carefully check all welds.

BTW, the 2012 CRV is a nice vehicle to tow. I towed a 2009 CRV and a 2014 CRV as well as four SOB toads. I like the CRV's the best!
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I didn't see it mentioned, but are both of the Roadmaster Falcon All Terrain arms locked when towing? If one arm fails to lock you can get that swaying motion.
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Is the steering wheel locked or is it free to turn when you are towing it?
Free to turn
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OK, since all of the good suggestions have already been stated, I'm going 'out of the box' here.

Tire pressures in the RV and toad are very important. Too much pressure and you can get wandering. To little and things get mushy. Get the RV weighed and check tire pressures as they relate to the tire size and weight.

Check and double check the hitch receiver on the RV for tightness and/or defects. Just the other day another owner posted where his receiver had broken and the toad and RV departed company. Carefully check all welds.

BTW, the 2012 CRV is a nice vehicle to tow. I towed a 2009 CRV and a 2014 CRV as well as four SOB toads. I like the CRV's the best!
Good idea. Ill check axle weights and pressures when I get home
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You said it was a newer crv. When I was researching towing mine, a 2014 crv, I was told that it was the last year that could be towed wheels down.
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You said it was a newer crv. When I was researching towing mine, a 2014 crv, I was told that it was the last year that could be towed wheels down.
He also said it is a 2012 CRV.
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