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Old 05-13-2018, 10:05 AM   #15
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Good idea on the spare pins. As for the tail wagging the dog, we're on the 24k chassis. We've got plenty of cargo and combined weight capacity left over. Hoping that helps as it seems to with the handling. But we'll see...
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I would add a washer between the pin and bracket.
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I am looking to do the same thing with an off road bumper. I'm wondering if you need a certain spacing between the mounts on the bumper? also will any bumper work or is one brand better than others?
sorry if I'm hijacking this thread.
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I am looking to do the same thing with an off road bumper. I'm wondering if you need a certain spacing between the mounts on the bumper? also will any bumper work or is one brand better than others?
sorry if I'm hijacking this thread.
I don't see it as you're hijacking the thread. It's all related. ANY off road, aftermarket bumper can and will work, as long as they have the "recovery" tabs, (the ones shown in the pictures) and, they are welded both on the front face and rear face of the bumper. No, there's no specific spacing between them. The way that many of those aftermarket bumpers are built and, whatever design the manufacturers choose, dictates just where those go.

The smart thing to do is, if you're thinking about one of those aftermarket bumpers, then find one you like and will work, AND has the recovery tabs on it. Then, find any and all specs on that bumper and most of the time, those specs will dictate just what the dimensions are of those recovery tabs and their pin hole diameters. Once you have those dimensions, you can then accurately order up any adapters you may need for your particular tow bar.
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I am looking to do the same thing with an off road bumper. I'm wondering if you need a certain spacing between the mounts on the bumper? also will any bumper work or is one brand better than others?
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I agree. Most will work but you need to check the specs. Smittybilt, LOD, ACE, JCR, etc, will be fine but watch out for those cheap bumpers on ebay or Amazon. If you're not sure, try a Jeep forum or call the manufacturer.

As for the spacing, the tabs are usually placed at the frame for maximum strength. That spacing is fine.

Towing with the bumper is nice but you'll have to piece meal the clevises, pins, etc. We got out set up together and it should work well but it took a little effort sourcing parts.
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thanks for the replies. I still have not bought anything to make this happen yet, but pricing tow bars and brackets I came across the adapters for road master tow bar to off road bumper and figured I could get those and a new bumper for about the same price as the brackets alone.
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You might also want to take a look a the Currie Tow Plate.

https://autoplicity.com/2009584-curr...iABEgLVGPD_BwE

Several folks on here (including me) use it. However, it does lower the attachment point to below the Wrangler bumper. If I was starting over I'd go with an after market bumper instead but since I already have the Currie I guess I'll stay with that for now. It is cheaper than a replacement bumper.
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I am looking to do the same thing with an off road bumper. I'm wondering if you need a certain spacing between the mounts on the bumper? also will any bumper work or is one brand better than others?
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I looked at a lot of aftermarket bumpers before I picked what I think is the best one suited for both the off road and towing. Unfortunately it's probably the most expensive as well.


This one,
https://www.rockhard4x4.com/product_p/rh-5045.htm

It's light, very well built and the towing brackets bolt right to the frame. I use the D rings for the safety cables.
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I looked at a lot of aftermarket bumpers before I picked what I think is the best one suited for both the off road and towing. Unfortunately it's probably the most expensive as well.


This one,
https://www.rockhard4x4.com/product_p/rh-5045.htm

It's light, very well built and the towing brackets bolt right to the frame. I use the D rings for the safety cables.
Wow, yep, it's on the high side of cost for sure. But if it's what you want and like, well then, jump in and get-r done.
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Safety chains; I put these into the frame, when not in use they rest in the skid plate under the bumper.
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I looked at a lot of aftermarket bumpers before I picked what I think is the best one suited for both the off road and towing. Unfortunately it's probably the most expensive as well.


This one,
https://www.rockhard4x4.com/product_p/rh-5045.htm

It's light, very well built and the towing brackets bolt right to the frame. I use the D rings for the safety cables.
I went the same route but the Steel version of this same bumper (it is a Beast). I had them delete the bar over the winch on mine and went with Blue Ox brackets to a Blue Ox 10K LB tow bar. I also use the D rings for hooking the break-away cables to. On the latter I found that given the right circumstance, say MH heading down a hill while Jeep is still flat, that the tow bar angle got steep enough to bind the D-rings (not good) as the two came back to level, so I strapped some small pieces of horse stall mat under the D-Rings to keep them tilted up, and that solved the problem.

My Tow bar is less than a half inch from being perfectly level right now, but I plan to level the front of the Jeep (raise it), so will also put a riser on the MH hitch (my hitch is pretty darn low to start with)...

Just got back from a thousand mile tow and the set-up works great!

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The people at NSA (Readtbrute) will make custom clevises, they did them for my old TJ with D-Rings, maybe $5 more than the standard billet style they have on their website.


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The people at NSA (Readtbrute) will make custom clevises, they did them for my old TJ with D-Rings, maybe $5 more than the standard billet style they have on their website.


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That's good to know. If I have issues or see thing wearing, I might contact them about a custom clevis.
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Just got my 1/4" plate Tomken installed. The Blue-Ox tabs are located in the center of the 4 bolts on each side and are welded into place by Tomken. The Fog lights are above the Quick Link safety chain tabs. I mounted my tail light and air connection from the motor home in the future winch location, until the winch is installed, which will cover these holes and the air, tail light connection can be relocated. This did require a 6" Curt raise on the hitch. The bumper is powder coated.
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