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Old 09-25-2021, 06:03 AM   #1
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Lightest newer model AWD toad

Hi,

We are looking at a Ford Transit class C that can only tow 4000lbs. So would need to get something in the 3500lbs range to allow for tow gear and sundries.

This means our 4700lb Wrangler will have to go.
Looking for something with all the latest driver safety aids.

Any recommendations?

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Old 09-25-2021, 07:05 AM   #2
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As far as I know, “AWD”* vehicles are generally not flat towable. You’ll need a true 4x4 with a manual transfer case and selectable neutral.

* some, with manual transmissions, may be.

Have you looked at the weight on a basic 2-door JK, or older/smaller TJ? Other than that, perhaps a manual transmission Subaru?

Good Luck.

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Thanks,

Unfortunately a 2 door is not an option as it needs to serve as a daily driver.

A Jeep Cherokee might be light enough.
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I just purchased a 2021 Chevy Trailblazer RS AWD and had it fit with a Blue Ox/Stay and Play brake system. It weighs right at 3000lbs Very easy to hook up and easy to tow. The AWD is the only one that can be flat towed and it is an automatic 4door.

Lots of choices good luck
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I just purchased a 2021 Chevy Trailblazer RS AWD and had it fit with a Blue Ox/Stay and Play brake system. It weighs right at 3000lbs Very easy to hook up and easy to tow. The AWD is the only one that can be flat towed and it is an automatic 4door.

Lots of choices good luck
That sounds like it would be perfect.
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I just purchased a 2021 Chevy Trailblazer RS AWD and had it fit with a Blue Ox/Stay and Play brake system. It weighs right at 3000lbs Very easy to hook up and easy to tow. The AWD is the only one that can be flat towed and it is an automatic 4door.

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I looked at a video review. That's exactly what I need.
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Check out the Chevy Equinox and Ford Escape. They are light and both can be flat towed this model year.
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I just purchased a 2021 Chevy Trailblazer RS AWD and had it fit with a Blue Ox/Stay and Play brake system. It weighs right at 3000lbs Very easy to hook up and easy to tow. The AWD is the only one that can be flat towed and it is an automatic 4door.

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Uh, there is no way that thing weighs 3000 lbs. 4000 lbs, maybe.

Any late model Subaru with a manual transmission will do well...and they weigh in the 3200 lb range.
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Check out the Chevy Equinox and Ford Escape. They are light and both can be flat towed this model year.

Beginning with the 2018 Equinox Chevy implemented a weight reduction program and knocked something like 400 pounds off as compared to earlier model years.

We flat tow a 2020 Equinox AWD, about 3,700 pounds.

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Is it just me, or does this just seem to be a recipe for failure? A small class C - likely already near the max chassis capabilities, towing a load near it's max? Regardless of braking systems and such, it seems that this would just be extremely hard on the tow vehicle.

I see the industry pushing people into smaller and smaller vehicles because that's the hand that's been dealt to them, but the performance and margins of these new products are not comparable to the older stuff.

The old Dolphin Toyota pickup based Class C-minus comes to mind.... Would hate to be behind this thing on a grade.

i think I'd have my SO follow behind in the toad.
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^^ this.
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Is it just me, or does this just seem to be a recipe for failure? A small class C - likely already near the max chassis capabilities, towing a load near it's max? Regardless of braking systems and such, it seems that this would just be extremely hard on the tow vehicle.

I see the industry pushing people into smaller and smaller vehicles because that's the hand that's been dealt to them, but the performance and margins of these new products are not comparable to the older stuff.

The old Dolphin Toyota pickup based Class C-minus comes to mind.... Would hate to be behind this thing on a grade.

i think I'd have my SO follow behind in the toad.
Actually, you are completely mistaken. The Transit comes with a twin turbo 3.5 liter engine that makes 310HP and 400lb-ft of torque, hooked to a10speed automatic transmission. With an 11K GVWR and 15K CGWR it has a power to weight ratio that is a order of magnitude higher than any diesel pusher ever made. For a motorhome, it is a rocket ship in terms of acceleration and the speed at which it pulls grades.
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Actually, you are completely mistaken. The Transit comes with a twin turbo 3.5 liter engine that makes 310HP and 400lb-ft of torque, hooked to a10speed automatic transmission. With an 11K GVWR and 15K CGWR it has a power to weight ratio that is a order of magnitude higher than any diesel pusher ever made. For a motorhome, it is a rocket ship in terms of acceleration and the speed at which it pulls grades.
i knew there's be some guy pull out a bunch of numbers off the ford website. Go ahead, drive that thing loaded to 11K with a 5K trailer and when it's a smoking pile a couple of years after the warranty runs out don't come crying.

You know, Toyota pulled the Space shuttle with a Taco - ONCE. Not sure I'd want to buy that one off the used lot.

By the way, my 1999 Beaver, 330HP CAT, 860 Ft lbs of torque. HP is about overcoming drag, torque is getting and keeping the load moving. More HP, a little more than TWICE the torque of the Ford, 26,000 lb GVWR - a little more than twice the GVWR. You have a decimal point in the wrong place if you think "order of magnitude".

That 10 speed auto is an "emissions transmission". All it's doing is keeping the engine in a tight range to control the tailpipe. It does that at the expense of complexity and less rugged parts - because to get 10 in the space of 5 you have to give up width in the gears, which is a big part of handling torque.

And that 310 HP comes in at - wait for it - 5000rpm. Bring the earplugs and the ralleye comms system to talk to the passenger.

In 5 years there's going to be all kinds of clapped out poor quality bad ideas on the used market.
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