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10-14-2007, 12:13 PM
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Tiffin Owners Club Forest River Owners Club
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Location: Naples, FL
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Want to tow a 2005 Mercedes ML 350. Have found that DEMCO sells base plates, and REMCO sells a transmission pump - this is a heavy TOAD (if I go that way - 4500 lbs) behind a 350 hp CAT in a 40' MH. Any and all advice (pro and con) would be appreiciated. Using a trailer (4 up) would just add more weight. Have discussed another vehicle with the better half - ummmm? - thanks in advance.
Fried and Gayle Martin
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2011 Honda CRV Toad
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10-14-2007, 12:13 PM
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Junior Member
Tiffin Owners Club Forest River Owners Club
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Location: Naples, FL
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Want to tow a 2005 Mercedes ML 350. Have found that DEMCO sells base plates, and REMCO sells a transmission pump - this is a heavy TOAD (if I go that way - 4500 lbs) behind a 350 hp CAT in a 40' MH. Any and all advice (pro and con) would be appreiciated. Using a trailer (4 up) would just add more weight. Have discussed another vehicle with the better half - ummmm? - thanks in advance.
Fried and Gayle Martin
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Fried and Gayle Martin
2012 Tiffin Allegro Bus 43 QGP
2011 Honda CRV Toad
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10-14-2007, 12:40 PM
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Administrator in Memoriam
Newmar Owners Club Retired Fire Service RVer's Spartan Chassis
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Fried, welcome to iRV2.
I don't think your toad is all that heavy, as mine is at least 6000#.
I believe 4 down towing is the easiest way to go.
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Adios, Dirk - '84 Real Lite Truck Camper, '86 Wilderness Cimarron TT, previously 4 years as a fulltimer in a '07 DSDP

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10-14-2007, 01:12 PM
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Junior Member
Tiffin Owners Club Forest River Owners Club
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Thanks Dirk,
Nice rig you have - looked it up - you are also at 400HP with probably better torque than I - still 6K lbs is pretty healty - any tips on tow packages? Absolutely want to go 4 down.
Thanks
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2012 Tiffin Allegro Bus 43 QGP
2011 Honda CRV Toad
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10-14-2007, 02:51 PM
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Yea, but Dirk's '08 Yukon will be significantly lighter.... I hear the new ones are made of composite....
Seriously, we tow 3K lbs and you don't know it's back there. I doubt an additional 1.5K lbs will make a whole lot of difference on a 350hp diesel. You will slow down going up the hills, but you'll still get there. And once you get there, you'll have your comfy toad to get ya around.
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'07 Winnebago Journey 34H - CAT C7, Koni's, MCU's, SS Bell Crank, Safe-T-Plus
'07 HHR Toad, SMI AFO, Blue OX
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10-14-2007, 02:52 PM
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Administrator in Memoriam
Newmar Owners Club Retired Fire Service RVer's Spartan Chassis
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Thanks for the kind words.
I have a Blue Ox baseplate and a Blue Ox 10K# tow bar and 10K# safety cables.
Also have the Brake Buddy Vantage.
I can highly recommend both.
I do go up some hills at 45 MPH with that 38K# combined weight.
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10-14-2007, 02:55 PM
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Administrator in Memoriam
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Yea, but Dirk's '08 Yukon will be significantly lighter.... I hear the new ones are made of composite.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I did get a "lighter" color. Will that help?
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10-14-2007, 03:08 PM
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Youbetcha!!! These lighter colors are named... Windy White.... Sierra Sandstone.... Ghostly gray... All these colors must be about 1Klbs lighter!!!
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'07 Winnebago Journey 34H - CAT C7, Koni's, MCU's, SS Bell Crank, Safe-T-Plus
'07 HHR Toad, SMI AFO, Blue OX
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10-15-2007, 09:14 AM
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Moderator Emeritus
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Location: West Palm Beach, FL. USA
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Fried...
What will your combined weight (motorhome + toad) be? You want to stay at 1 hp or more per 100 lbs of combined weight, which means a max of 35000 lbs for your 350 Cat. At 1/100 lbs you will likely be pulling 6% grades at 40 mph and your acceleration may be a bit less with the 350's relatively modest torque, but I don't think it will be a big deal.
My rig's combined weight with a 4700 lb toad is about 37,500 and I have a 370 hp, 1200 ft lb torque Cummins ISL. I do 42-45 on long 6% grades but barely notice anything less.
I too recommend the Blue Ox 10,000 lb tow bar, but a Roadmaster All Terrain is a good choice too.
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Former owner of 2004 American Tradition and several other RVs
Home is West Palm Beach, FL
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10-15-2007, 03:15 PM
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Junior Member
Tiffin Owners Club Forest River Owners Club
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Location: Naples, FL
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Thanks to all the great advice - I will take it into consideration as I make my decisions on how to best tow this TOAD - I especially appreciate the comments on "less paint or paint color = lighter weight" - perhaps I will pull the old American Airlines trick of removing all the paint to get a little better umph;-) - not sure my better half would appreciate that - but with oil jumping up over $86 a barrel - maybe I can get some traction (not).
Thanks again - hope to run into some of you as we move from the house to the road.
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Fried and Gayle Martin
2012 Tiffin Allegro Bus 43 QGP
2011 Honda CRV Toad
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10-15-2007, 03:21 PM
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Administrator in Memoriam
Newmar Owners Club Retired Fire Service RVer's Spartan Chassis
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Hope to run into you also. Figuratively, not literally.
I ordered the Gold Mist paint on my Yukon. I wonder if there's a hidden meaning?
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Adios, Dirk - '84 Real Lite Truck Camper, '86 Wilderness Cimarron TT, previously 4 years as a fulltimer in a '07 DSDP

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