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Old 05-05-2021, 11:34 AM   #85
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I have a 22í Class C Jayco Redhawk 24B and just bought a Jeep Wrangler to flat tow behind it using a Blue Ox Towing System. Also, I purchased a Stay N Play break System to have installed. My mechanic stated the brake system for the Jeep is not necessary. We plan to take a trip cross country in a few months and I wanted to get some expert experience, opinions, or thoughts on whether to add the brake system to the Jeep, or not.
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First off, Welcome to IRV2!

Check with a different mechanic and get your brake system installed. The Jeep weighs approximately 1/4-1/3 of what your motor home will and its brakes are not designed for that much weight. In addition, if you travel through a state where a braking system is required, you are in violation of their laws. I have towed Jeeps without and with braking systems and would never tow another one without.
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Great discussion. I was looking seriously at a surge brake type system that mechanically apples the toad brake. I took my Jeep Wrangler down the drive and at about 20 mph, killed the ignition, and started applying the brakes. The first application was pretty effective but after about the 3rd it was just about zero braking. Iím wondering how effective any of these braking products really are if you arenít using some type of vacuum booster. Based on my simple test, these type systems (with no vacuum boost) are doing very little other than giving you a false sense of security. DISCLAIMER- totally new to MH and toad pulling and just trying to educate myself!!!
Check out M&G Engineering in Athens, TX. (If you have air brakes)
I had that system installed and it is wonderful. Brakes on your toad are applied by connection with your coach air brakes.

https://m-gengineering.com

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Check out M&G Engineering in Athens, TX. (If you have air brakes)
I had that system installed and it is wonderful. Brakes on your toad are applied by connection with your coach air brakes.

https://m-gengineering.com

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YES, you need a supplemental braking system on your jeep behind a Class C (gasoline) motorhome. It is well heavier than would it be legal to tow it without a supplemental braking system. Sorry, your tech is WRONG! Maybe he just doesn't want to install one.


NO, you don't have air brakes, so, though the M&G is a good system, it is not tailored for your needs.
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I have a 22’ Class C Jayco Redhawk 24B and just bought a Jeep Wrangler to flat tow behind it using a Blue Ox Towing System. Also, I purchased a Stay N Play break System to have installed. My mechanic stated the brake system for the Jeep is not necessary. We plan to take a trip cross country in a few months and I wanted to get some expert experience, opinions, or thoughts on whether to add the brake system to the Jeep, or not.
DOT regulations require that the braking system on a vehicle, in this case your Class C, only be able to safely stop the GVWR of the vehicle.

You did not specify your RV's year so I looked up the 2021 specs here: https://www.jayco.com/products/class...1-redhawk/24b/

The GVWR is 14,500 pounds.

For your Class C to be able to safely stop a 5,000 pound Jeep without a braking system on your Jeep, your Class C fully loaded for a trip with water, people, fuel, junk etc. could weigh no more than 9,500 pounds. Probably not anywhere close to possible.

Your GCWR is 22,000 pounds. The formula GCWR minus GVWR tells you how much weight your Class C can safely tow unrestricted without damaging the engine, frame, transmission etc.

That's 7,500 pounds so you can easily and safely tow a fully loaded four-door Jeep Rubicon. With really big tires, a winch, etc.

BUT without a supplemental braking system in the Jeep you cannot safely stop. You can stop but with significantly increased stopping distances (especially going down a hill) and with far more rapid Class C brake wear than otherwise.

So you either pay for a good supplemental braking system in the Jeep or you pay more later for a major brake job on the Class C far earlier than you otherwise would and maybe some body work if you smack into someone.

The Stay-IN-Play DUO is what I have in my Equinox and it is an excellent system with an excellent reputation. Since you already own it, it just needs installed by someone competent.

Make sense?

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It's not just the braking system one must consider. It's which tires are braked, and which are not. Unbraked load-carrying axles *will* increase the stopping distance because their tires cannot contribute to slowing the rig down.

See post #73 in this thread. I'd independently reached the same conclusions for the same reasons, but I think his writeup is better than mine was.
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I have a 22í Class C Jayco Redhawk 24B and just bought a Jeep Wrangler to flat tow behind it using a Blue Ox Towing System. Also, I purchased a Stay N Play break System to have installed. My mechanic stated the brake system for the Jeep is not necessary. We plan to take a trip cross country in a few months and I wanted to get some expert experience, opinions, or thoughts on whether to add the brake system to the Jeep, or not.

I am not going to say that your mechanic is wrong, but I will say there are only 3 states where at first glance it is legal to tow something as heavy as a Jeep Wrangler without a braking system, those are Texas, Alaska and Massachusetts, and Texas is marginal depending on the exact weight.
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Have the Stay n play installed, the peace of mind will make your travels more stress free.

I jave one and love it.
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This thread is why I come here! We’re about to pick up a 42’ Class A and I already have a 20’ car hauler trailer for our toad. I’ve been going back and forth on installing a brake controller and this sealed it for me. In 20+ years of towing with pickups I’ve always been very careful to have working brakes on anything I pull except the occasional piece of farm equipment, but the clear explanation and data in the OP have taken away any illusions of just relying on the Class A to handle the weight.
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