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Old 08-02-2022, 11:50 PM   #1
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Question Towing full size truck with gasser

Looking for anyone with real life experience towing a full size truck with a gas class A. Our new rig is a 2019 Fleetwood bounder 36fp. This model has a 8000lb towing capacity. My goal (if realistic/safe) is to tow our 2010 Dodge Ram 2500. Curb weight is 6300lbs per google. My other concern is our length will be approx 63’-64’ including the rig, tow bar and truck. With that info, would I be able to tow our truck as our dingy? I have about 20,000 miles worth of experience towing a 40’ 16,000 lb fifth wheel for a total length of 57’. Thank you all in advance.

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Old 08-03-2022, 12:54 AM   #2
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Towing full size truck with gasser

Looking for anyone with real life experience towing a full size truck with a gas class A. Our new rig is a 2019 Fleetwood bounder 36fp. This model has a 8000lb towing capacity. My goal (if realistic/safe) is to tow our 2010 Dodge Ram 2500. Curb weight is 6300lbs per google. My other concern is our length will be approx 63’-64’ including the rig, tow bar and truck. With that info, would I be able to tow our truck as our dingy? I have about 20,000 miles worth of experience towing a 40’ 16,000 lb fifth wheel for a total length of 57’. Thank you all in advance
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ASSUMING you have the Ford F-53 chassis with the V-10 motor, are you sure about the 8,000 pound difference between the GVWR and the GCVWR ???
I didn’t know ANY gasser had that amount of towing capacity.
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That’s a lot to ask of the V-10. With a GVWR of 26k lbs (which I’m sure you are very close if not at that number!). But with a 30k lb GCWR I don’t see how it has an 8k lb tow capacity. I do see it has an 8k lb rated hitch, but that doesn’t mean it can tow 8k lbs. what is the dry weight? CCC? What is the ready to travel weight?
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The hitch is rated at 8,000lb but the chassis imposes other limits that are much lower. The GCWR weight rating (coach + tow) is 30,000lb. The 36fp is built on the 26,000lb Ford F53 chassis. When fully loaded, it can tow 4,000lb. (30,000-26,000=4,000). Some googling shows the 36fp has a typical OCCC of about 1900lb - it’s a very heavy motorhome. So it weighs about 24,100lbs empty. If you have a driver, passenger, and nothing else it could tow perhaps 5,500lb. Most likely it will be overloaded most of the time. So pulling even 4,000lb is probably too much. A Honda CRV @ 3,200lb would be a good candidate for toad car for this rig. Here is an IRV2 discussion on GCWR, GVWR, and towing with some 36fp specifics: https://www.irv2.com/forums/f258/gvw...on-473049.html
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The 2 posts above are a much better explanation of the concerns I was trying to address in my post. Both of them offer very important info you need to consider.
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Lot of good comments here offering suggestions to the OP. Out of curiosity, I also looked up the tow rating on that coach and it does say 8000#.

With many of our trucks, we sometimes pull enormous loads with no problems. If it was me, I would go for it as long as the braking system on the towed truck is working 100%.

You may have issues in mountainous areas but in flatlands it would probably handle it.

Is it the ideal toad. Of course not. Good luck to the OP.
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Likely not helpful to the specific question but I tow a full sized Ram but not the big boy, I am like 5k curb weight. I sure like having that truck for many reasons. 330 HP Cat by the way, not the powerhouse of the world but a different animal from the OP's gasser.
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I personally dont think a gasser is capable of towing more than 5k toad when you consider your gear and weight. If you want to tow a full size 2500 truck you need a diesel coach with a 10K tow rating. I dont want to be the driver in front of him with that gas rig on a downgrade with juice brakes and no engine brake !
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While it's a great truck, it seems quite excessive to have as a toad.

That said, a buddy has a much older V10 Class A and towing his Jeep Wrangler, basically can't tell it's back there except the hills. Also tows an approx 7klb wakeboard boat and only (according to him) loses about 1.5mpg and I've seen the setup climb a miles long 5% + grade at 55-60mph.
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Looking for anyone with real life experience towing a full size truck with a gas class A. Our new rig is a 2019 Fleetwood bounder 36fp. This model has a 8000lb towing capacity. My goal (if realistic/safe) is to tow our 2010 Dodge Ram 2500. Curb weight is 6300lbs per google. My other concern is our length will be approx 63’-64’ including the rig, tow bar and truck. With that info, would I be able to tow our truck as our dingy? I have about 20,000 miles worth of experience towing a 40’ 16,000 lb fifth wheel for a total length of 57’. Thank you all in advance
Simple.
1) Weigh the truck as it would be loaded while towing. Subtract the weight of the driver from the scale measurement, as there will no driver in the truck when towed.
2) Weigh the coach as it would be loaded for a trip.
If the total of the 2 vehicle weights is less than 30K lbs, you will be within the manufacturers specification for GCWR.

Once you have that information, you can decide how to proceed.
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The hitch is rated at 8,000lb but the chassis imposes other limits that are much lower. The GCWR weight rating (coach + tow) is 30,000lb. The 36fp is built on the 26,000lb Ford F53 chassis. When fully loaded, it can tow 4,000lb. (30,000-26,000=4,000). Some googling shows the 36fp has a typical OCCC of about 1900lb - it’s a very heavy motorhome. So it weighs about 24,100lbs empty. If you have a driver, passenger, and nothing else it could tow perhaps 5,500lb. Most likely it will be overloaded most of the time. So pulling even 4,000lb is probably too much. A Honda CRV @ 3,200lb would be a good candidate for toad car for this rig. Here is an IRV2 discussion on GCWR, GVWR, and towing with some 36fp specifics: https://www.irv2.com/forums/f258/gvw...on-473049.html
...this pretty much sums it up ^

I think you'll be substantially towing more than you should be. The "towing capacity" of your Bounder is 4,000 lbs when loaded to its GVWR.

Yes, hitch rating is 8,000 lbs but the "tow capacity" rule of thumb as defined by GCWR minus GVWR is 4,000 lbs.

I've attached the chassis specs from the Fleetwood brochure on the 2019 Bounder to confirm.



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I think you'll be substantially towing more than you should be. The "towing capacity" of your Bounder is 4,000 lbs when loaded to its GVWR.

Yes, hitch rating is 8,000 lbs but the "tow capacity" rule of thumb as defined by GCWR minus GVWR is 4,000 lbs.
Agreed on being way over the design limits.

Slight clarification: GCWR minus GVWR is not a "rule of thumb" for towing capacity. It's a hard rating with the numbers set by the chassis and motorhome manufacturer. It's also called the unrestricted towing capacity. It's based on the frame strength, the transmission strength, and a few other things.

It is not based on the motorhome's brakes, though. Per DOT regs the brakes are designed and tested to assure they can only stop the GVWR safely, never the GCWR. That's why a supplemental braking system is pretty much mandatory.

"Unrestricted" means you can always tow that amount without exceeding design limits as long as the vehicle, in this case the motorhome, does not actually weigh more than its GVWR.

If you want to tow more than the result of (GCWR minus GVWR) you need to "steal" those extra pounds by loading the motorhome below its GVWR.

Class A gasser motorhome manufacturers are known for stating their towing capacity in their advertising solely based on the hitch strength and then taking that away in the fine print. With many gasoline Class A's, even if the motorhome was completely empty, including empty of people and being towed by a tow truck, 8,000 pounds of safe towing capacity simply is not possible. (A few older ones were, though.)

Here's how to see if yours is one of those:

On your entry door frame (probably) you have a sticker listing your coach's OCCC. That's an "as weighed" number, as yours left the factory.

The OCCC is the amount of weight that the owner can add to that motorhome, including any water but excluding fuel weight, before it hits the the GVWR limit. The US OCCC never includes any water but it's usually listed on the OCCC sticker for reference.

The result of OCCC + (GCWR minus GVWR) is the absolute maximum amount that coach could ever tow and stay within its maximum design limits, and that's only if there was nothing added to the motorhome by the owner, not even a flashlight or even the driver.

Make sense?

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NXR I agree with you except that last bit of math doesn't seem to be right.
(GVWR minus OCCC) + (GCWR minus GVWR) is not the tow rating.

I'll use my coach's numbers.
(18000-2563) + (23000-18000) = 20437. That can't be my tow limit of course.

I would say my towing limit if the coach is fully loaded is 23000-18000, so 5000 lbs. If I had it partially loaded to, say, 17,500 lbs, then my tow limit would be 5500.


I also have a Fleetwood with an 8000lb hitch. Check the sticker on your hitch, mine says 5000lb limit for flat towing. I don't get why that special limit on flat towing is there, but it is.
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