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Old 11-26-2020, 07:46 AM   #1
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Cross Trek 21XG vs Thor Gemini 23TW ?

Both of these MH are on the Ford Transit chassis
The Thor sells for about 10k more but has so much more space and features and it's actually a foot shorter.
I have test driven the Cross Trek and hopefully take a look at my 1st Gemini this weekend.

The only real plus for the Cross Trek is the pass thru in the back. Sure it's a great place to store your bicycles when your not sleeping but that's why you buy a bike rack and keep the bikes outside.

I can list all the pluses and minus of these 2 couches but would like instead to hear from others who have also studied or purchased one of these.

I am leaning towards the Cross Trek. It is so basic that I think I would have less problems because it does not have a slide out or generator. And yes, I did read about the inverter problems the factory is trying to sort out as well as the microwave falling out.

Also, do people actually prefer to not have a slide out?
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Old 11-27-2020, 12:19 PM   #2
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Spend as much time in both as you can, and really dig into the guts. Things like remove the bottom drawers and see how clean they are underneath - how wires, pipes, and ducts are run, and whatnot. Look underneath the coach and look for the same things. Use a flashlight!

I'm sure both look great on the "visible" side of everything, but you'll get a much better sense of the quality of each if you look into the parts that you don't normally see - until you have a problem.

Since both are on the relatively new Transit platform, neither will have a terribly long history, and you may not get many responses from owners. A quick search on "Thor Transit" and "Coachmen Transit" found very little.

You might want to look into each company generally to get a feel for their reputation and quality. I've owned a Thor Axis, but it was on the E350 platform so I can't provide any details on the Gemini. Searching the Forums for posts I've authored will give you my thoughts on Thor in general, should you be interested.

Good luck with your decision.

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Old 11-28-2020, 12:17 PM   #3
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I was really looking forward to the Crosstrek. I was very impressed with the ride, power, handling, and quietness of the coach going down the road. Unfortunately, I was very disappointed with the interior quality of materials used. I realize they wish to stay within a certain price point. The interior just didnít pass my standards.
Another option to consider is the 24 foot Coachmen Leprechaun 220 XG on the Chevy chassis. It has a larger rear cargo door, larger interior space, more comfortable cabin, nicer cabinets, and a large 12 volt refrigerator. Furthermore, in the coming year it will have the larger Chevy V8 with possibly other chassis changes. Personally, for these smaller class C rvís I prefer the Chevy over the Ford. The cabin is much more comfortable along with better handling and a quieter power train.
In all rvís there is always compromises to be made. Iíve been shopping for the last two years ; itís not an easy decision. We want to keep it under 26 feet and preferably no slide out. We love the Leisure Travel Vans along with the Phoenix Cruisers. We just donít like the price for how much we would use it.
An important feature for me in the Coachmen rv mentioned is the large 12 volt fridge
My driveway has a slope which prohibits pre cooling a typical absorption fridge. The slope is a little too steep to constantly mess with leveling blocks We live just blocks away from a large state beach and I would use the rv frequently for day outings, so I want to be able to cool the fridge the night before without leveling concerns. The fridge used in the Coachmen also requires very little power which is also appealing.
Winnebago just came out with a new Class C for semi off road use that is also interesting. However, the price is just ridiculous to me.

Just my thoughts...good luck with your decision.
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Be careful with Coachmen. Nothing wrong with the Crosstrek but looks like 2021 is a old/new chassis overlap buildout. You might not be getting what you think you are getting. Their website doesn't answer most questions as specifications are minimalist at best. No note of engine size, performance, towing or anything. What the website does indicate is GVWR 10360/GCWR 12125 (prior generation chassis) where the Gemini/Compass have GVWR 11000/GCWR 15000 (new generation chassis). The old chassis may not have the 3.5 Ecoboost turbo that cranks out 310HP and 400 ftlb torque. The old chassis may have a 3.5 non-turbo or 3.7 with HP in the 250 range. That is a HUGE difference.

Appears may be on build date of Coachman with midyear changeover. Easy way to tell is looking at the grill. Coachmen brochure, and most 2021 videos reflect the 3 slat grill of the prior generation. With the new generation as seen on the Gemini, is open and enlarged. I did see one Coachmen dealer video with the enlarged grill, but was a fluff video with no details. Jumping the link to their dealership, they had two 21XG on the lot but they were one of each generation based on the grill photos, both 2021 models. Also, Ford upgraded/changed the dash and steering wheel on the new chassis, and added significant electronic safety features. Frankly, while both of these are on the 156" WB, the new chassis also come with a 178" wheelbase which potentially could be a Mercedes killer with the sprinter's 170" WB and and almost identical GVWR/GCWR to the new Ford. Unfortunately, LTV Wonder and the second floorplan on the Winnebago Ekko are the only ones built on the new Ford 178" WB. LTV had a two year build time on order, And Winnebago's starting $163K pricing on the Ekko actually succeded in making the LTV look inexpensive - even fully optioned out Wonder is around $150k!
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I got to see the Thor Gemini today, kind of dumpy. It actually seemed smaller in the inside in the cross trek.
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Old 11-29-2020, 07:31 AM   #6
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I got to see the Thor Gemini today, kind of dumpy. It actually seemed smaller in the inside in the cross trek.
I agree with you. For some reason, Thor sticks with that bending mattress fold up bed with 'sitting platform' floorplan across it's Class C/RUV lines in lieu of a true murphybed/sofa on the same slide with dinette. At least it is a one piece mattress that bends and not a two piece hinged together - but frankly, I don't need a platform to tie my shoes. I can do that anywhere with or without a seat! The two Sprinter models have both floorplans which almost duplicate others. Thor is in a position to look at the Delano/Tiburon and know which floorplan outsells the other.. On a side note, the Gemini TT is worse. While it has a true murphy bed, it is either/or seating - one person turn in early, there goes your seating. The Gemini TW is far more flexible despite it's folding bed.

There is opportunity to be had with the marketing void on the new Ford Transit chassis. Now if only manufacturers take advantage of it. Consider Coachmen quietly discontinued in 2021 their other transit based RV - the Orion. Likewise the Winnebago Fuse. What if they re-tooled/returned them on the 178"WB chassis with more of a traditional RV focus rather than the sports/activity focus of the Cross Trek or Ekko.
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