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Old 05-07-2021, 08:44 PM   #1
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Diesel?

I have been looking at Class C used units. Most are GM 8.1 and Ford V-10's. Did they make any with the Diesel motors?
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Thor Four Winds on the Ford 550 chassis had a diesel.
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Older ford powered E450's 2005 to 2008, they are out there,pretty rare.
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TheE350/450 was available with diesel for years, many ambulances were diesel powered. Motorhomes not so much, Born Free, and Bigfoot had diesels in some rigs but as noted, not very common. When Ford went to the 6.7L in house designed diesel, it was too big to fit, so they dropped it, you really don't want one with a 6.0 or 6.4 International motor.

You might find a Chevy/GMC Savannah/Express 3500/4500 with a Duramax, it was available from '06 to '16 in that chassis, don't know if any motorhomes were actually built on the Savannah/Express chassis with the Duramax however.

And yes, Sprinters are diesel except for the rare 3.5L gas engine used in 2008. I had a Winnebago View on the earlier 5 cyl Sprinter T1N chassis. Most are built on the later NCV3 chassis with the 3.0L V6.

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Super C is what you are asking about. Jayco makes a couple of models. Thor has at least one model. Nexus has a couple of models. They are pretty big compared to other Class Cs.
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We enjoyed our Sprinter Class C diesel. Isata 3
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What size are you interested in? The Sprinters aren't very big, less than 27ft I believe, and mine is 25ft. But it's diesel.

Larger than that, it's slim pickings. The Super C's mentioned about are all over 30ft.

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Just something to think about. Do you want a diesel or do you need a diesel? The reason I'm asking is for service reasons and price. The Sprinter chassis does come with a diesel but about the only places that will service it are Mercedes dealers and not all of them. If you need a diesel you should probably be looking at Super Cs. I am most familiar with the Nexus line and a little bit of the Jayco line. Some of the older Jayco Senecas were on a GMC chassis with a diesel but they have a somewhat limited tow capacity, I think 6,000 lbs., but it could be more or less. The newer Senecas are on a Freightliner chassis with a Cummins 6.7 if I'm not mistaken. I bought a Nexus Ghost because of the air ride and a couple of other things. The Nexus line includes the Truimph, the Wraith, the Rebel (4x4 and new this year) and the Ghost. The Triumph and the Wraith are essentially the same coach with the Wraith having upgraded components and full body paint. You can get the Triumph with full body paint but at that point you're within spitting distance of a Wraith. I have heard some complaints about the rear springs in the Wraith being a little on the light side. I imagine the same would go for the Triumph. If you go to the Wandering Wagners on facebook they have a video on their spring upgrade and the price. Personally I think you could probably just add a leaf or two to the factory springs and get the same result for less money. Maybe a Sumo spring or Timbrens might work if they are available. Good luck.
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I first started lusting over the Thor Super Cs 3-4 years ago. They are built on the Ford F-550 chassis, with the 6.7 Diesel. There are two lines, the Magnitude and the Omni, but they only differ in paint schemes. There are 3 floor plans, ranging from 33 feet, to 35 feet (I think).

The point is, you may be able to find a used one, but only a few years old. And from what I have seen, the used ones are MORE expensive than new, because they are available. New ones have a significant wait time.

Now the bad news; I bought a brand new Omni XG32 in January, and have yet to make a trip in it where everything works. Driving it has been fantastic, with plenty of power for climbing mountain summits, and about 11.5 mpg overall. But it has been parked, completely unusable, for well over a month, and at the dealership for repair for 3 weeks, with multiple failures (generator, slides, water heater, leveling system, etc.). In defense of the dealer, the entire industry (at least here in California) has a major shortage of technicians (Thor told me that nobody wants to work when they can stay home and get enhanced unemployment). By the same token, I am sure I got bumped to the end of the line when I complained!

So, tread lightly and check your pulse rate frequently!! RVing is not for the faint of heart!
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I have been looking at Class C used units. Most are GM 8.1 and Ford V-10's. Did they make any with the Diesel motors?
This link shows some Thor Four Winds and Chateaus for sale.
https://www.rvtrader.com/Used-Thor-M...uelType=diesel
When I was looking at them in 2015 or 2016 they just called them Class C diesel, now it seems important to call them "Super C". They come on the Ford Chassis with the Ford diesel engine.
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(Thor told me that nobody wants to work when they can stay home and get enhanced unemployment).
Hmm.... Maybe "thor" told you something that also benefits them in keeping the lie going, that unemployment (which is ALWAYS at 75% or less of what you normally made) is "more" than what the workers were making.... Because the employers don't want to discuss pay raises for the workers?

If it's hard to find employees, then increase the pay or benefits to entice them to come work for you.

Also, facts: The sectors that had the HIGHEST job growth recently were the LOWEST PAID (restaurant workers, etc) which puts the lie to this chamber-of-commerce nonsense that people are staying home on unemployment. It just is not happening, yet "certain" news sources continue to spew this twaddle.

Maybe the business interests who want employees and can't find them should consider backing off on their own profit margin for a change. RV techs are SKILLED employees and certainly not minimum wage. It's going to cost to pay them what they are worth.

Thor is WELL KNOWN for cheaping out on everything other than the sale price, so hearing that they can't find techs is no shock, honestly. Their coaches are shiny, but everything under that shine is built in a hurry by the lowest bidder.
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Hmm.... Maybe "thor" told you something that also benefits them in keeping the lie going, that unemployment (which is ALWAYS at 75% or less of what you normally made) is "more" than what the workers were making.... Because the employers don't want to discuss pay raises for the workers?

If it's hard to find employees, then increase the pay or benefits to entice them to come work for you.

Also, facts: The sectors that had the HIGHEST job growth recently were the LOWEST PAID (restaurant workers, etc) which puts the lie to this chamber-of-commerce nonsense that people are staying home on unemployment. It just is not happening, yet "certain" news sources continue to spew this twaddle.

Maybe the business interests who want employees and can't find them should consider backing off on their own profit margin for a change. RV techs are SKILLED employees and certainly not minimum wage. It's going to cost to pay them what they are worth.

Thor is WELL KNOWN for cheaping out on everything other than the sale price, so hearing that they can't find techs is no shock, honestly. Their coaches are shiny, but everything under that shine is built in a hurry by the lowest bidder.
I totally agree with you as far as supply and demand is concerned. If dealers can't find qualified tech, they should offer more money.

But the other aspect is also valid. Check out this article from the US Chamber of Commerce: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...BingNewsSearch
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"the other aspect is also valid" is debatable, when the source is a lobbying group rather than a researching group of academics with nothing to gain.

https://news.yale.edu/2020/07/27/yal...uce-employment

https://www.brookings.edu/research/d...e-on-steroids/

Thus ends the politics.
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