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rolick22 · 03-30-2022, 11:25 AM

Was wondering what your thoughts where on the New Thor Inception, where they are labeling it as a Mega C (which by the way Thor has trademarked) But it’s nothing more than a marking scheme. If there was a true “Mega C” category then I would say it’s a Renegade XL, Ikon, Newmar Supreme Air, and Showhauler.

vito.a · 03-30-2022, 11:34 AM

Some of the new Super C coaches are very nice, although Thor is not my favorite. The disadvantage is you loose 10' of floor space.
I'm also concerned that many of them have the little Cummins ISB engine and folks are trying to tow trailers with them. The little ISB is great in a Dodge pickup but severely lacking torque for a 30,000-40,000 pound motorhome.

Josephls · 03-30-2022, 04:02 PM

Sorry no idea about any mega but a question relating to the statement you lose 10’ of floor space. How is that figured! Is that saying you lose 10’ more than a DP? I’m not saying it’s not true just trying to understand how it’s measured. Say a 40 DP vs a 40 super C. I understand the idea of the nose of the super C but the DP uses space up in the rear. Is there really 10’ more space used with the engine inline vs sideways? Ie, if the DP engine compartment uses say 6’ the super C uses 16’? That would leave a 40’ super c with only 24’ of living space vs 34’ in the DP.

wildtoad · 03-30-2022, 04:42 PM

Something else to confuse dealers, customers. Is a Mega C larger than a Super C? Similar issue with B+ which is marketing term for a C Class that doesn’t have the typical large area over the cab. So in reality B+ units are C-‘s but that would be a terrible marketing moniker.

dbircky · 03-30-2022, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Josephls

Sorry no idea about any mega but a question relating to the statement you lose 10’ of floor space. How is that figured! Is that saying you lose 10’ more than a DP? I’m not saying it’s not true just trying to understand how it’s measured. Say a 40 DP vs a 40 super C. I understand the idea of the nose of the super C but the DP uses space up in the rear. Is there really 10’ more space used with the engine inline vs sideways? Ie, if the DP engine compartment uses say 6’ the super C uses 16’? That would leave a 40’ super c with only 24’ of living space vs 34’ in the DP.

I’m not following you. My 43 foot dp has a bed over the engine. There’s zero wasted space unlike the hood and cab area of a C (unless there’s a cab over bed which reclaims some footage for living space.

mbutts · 03-31-2022, 08:06 AM

I really wanted to like the Super C motorhomes (easier engine access, better engine cooling, crash protection, massive towing capabilities), but the lack of storage has eliminated all of them from my shopping list. Any video tours of seen show lots of storage compartments, but no room inside any of them due to batteries, DEF tanks, electrical panels, generator, water tanks, etc.
I just looked at the Thor Inception website and a 360 HP/800 lb-ft engine seems awfully lightweight for 32,000 lbs. vehicle + 15,000 lbs. towing.

Josephls · 03-31-2022, 01:33 PM

Dbirky. I’ve only been in 2 super C’s and a couple DP so I have very little knowledge that’s why Im asking and confused. In the case of the two super C both had over cab beds. So I don’t grasp the 10’ loss? Like I say I’m a novice here, not saying it isn’t so just having a hard time understanding the 10’.

The two issues I see as a negative on the Super C is loss of storage which was obvious in the 2 I looked thru and second I’m assuming the turning radius is reduced quite a bit or am I off in that assumption?

rolick22 · 03-31-2022, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Josephls

Dbirky. I’ve only been in 2 super C’s and a couple DP so I have very little knowledge that’s why Im asking and confused. In the case of the two super C both had over cab beds. So I don’t grasp the 10’ loss? Like I say I’m a novice here, not saying it isn’t so just having a hard time understanding the 10’.

The two issues I see as a negative on the Super C is loss of storage which was obvious in the 2 I looked thru and second I’m assuming the turning radius is reduced quite a bit or am I off in that assumption?

No doubt there are disadvantages to Super C's, I am coming from had owned a 37 foot 5th Wheel and now as an owner of a Super C here are my top 3 Cons.
1. Less space in the living area as compared to a comparable length travel trailer, Class A or travel trailer.
2. Less under belly space then a Class A (but way more then a 5th wheel, travel trailer or Class C
3. No pass through on some but there are a couple that have half passthroughs.
Please tell me what other cons that I have missed.

vyndance · 03-31-2022, 04:07 PM

The Freightliner M-102 is 102 inches from the front bumper to the back of cab or 8 1/2 ft. On my coach it is 78 inches from the inside of the windshield to the back of the passenger seat or 6 1/2 ft. so you do give up 2 feet with the 102. The Cascadia BOC is 116 so you would give up another 1 ft 2 inches for the big motor. It's not very much.

vyndance · 04-01-2022, 10:42 AM

M2 106 not M 102. 2 ft 4 inch difference

hippopapamus · 04-01-2022, 11:33 AM

There is certainly some space lost vs. Class A motorhome, but the cabover bunk can make up a for lot of that (granted some Class A motorhomes also have drop down beds). With that said, I don’t think space is at the forefront of most Super C buyers’ mind. From my perspective I think most Super C buyers are looking for something a) with a lot of towing, b) that handles better than a Class A, c) that is safer in an accident than a Class A, d) that is easier to work on than a Class A, or e) that is some combination of the the above.

rolick22 · 04-09-2022, 06:43 AM

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There is certainly some space lost vs. Class A motorhome, but the cabover bunk can make up a for lot of that (granted some Class A motorhomes also have drop down beds). With that said, I don’t think space is at the forefront of most Super C buyers’ mind. From my perspective I think most Super C buyers are looking for something a) with a lot of towing, b) that handles better than a Class A, c) that is safer in an accident than a Class A, d) that is easier to work on than a Class A, or e) that is some combination of the the above.

Yes you are right, but one thing to me that was important was looks, and I mean the exterior looks. Don't get me wrong a Class A has a nice clean look to it, but I like the look of a Freightliner Cascadia or M2 (the S2RV is what I own and is 95% the same look of the M2)

hippopapamus · 04-09-2022, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by rolick22

Yes you are right, but one thing to me that was important was looks, and I mean the exterior looks. Don't get me wrong a Class A has a nice clean look to it, but I like the look of a Freightliner Cascadia or M2 (the S2RV is what I own and is 95% the same look of the M2)

Couldn’t agree with you more. With all of the factors I referenced plus the good looks, I think the Super C segment will only continue to grow. We didn’t need a Cascadia or want extra length or cost associated with it so we went with the M2 based Verona.

38Chevy454 · 04-18-2022, 08:37 AM

The Thor Inception is nothing any different than what most people call a Super C. It is probably comparable to a Jayco Seneca as it's most close competitor. Although Renegade Valencia is also similar, it seems Renegade has higher quality interiors than Jayco and Thor; or the current Dynamax made by Forest River. The Tiffin Allegro Bay is also similar, with little better interior quality like the Renegades. Nexus Ghost is another one probably comparable to the Inception from a general features standpoint. The Inception is built on the Freightliner S2RV chassis, same as Seneca, Valencia and Tiffin. Same Cummins ISB 6.7 liter engine. I don't see anything special about the Thor Inception except another option in the general Super C category.

There are two chassis used on the Super C type motorhomes (except from Nexus). Both Freightliner, the S2RV (modified based on the school bus chassis), and the M2 (what Freightliner calls their business class chassis). The front end and cab are basically the same for both. The biggest difference is the engines. The S2RV based all have the Cummins ISB 6.7, whereas the M2 based typically have larger engines in the approx 9-13 liter size range. Both use Allison automatics in the motorhome applications. Both are air ride rear and leaf spring front standard. Biggest factor with larger engines is more towing capacity and more power. The basic RV living quarters part is essentially the same for the mfrs that build on both chassis. Nexus is the different one in that they use International chassis.