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Old 10-04-2020, 07:26 PM   #1
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This is my first post and I am looking for some honest advice. I have narrowed down my choices to a Jayco Seneca and Nexus Wraith for my first RV purchase. Both serve my needs for pulling a fully loaded race trailer and has plenty of room for sleeping as long as we get the overhead bunk. Those of you with experience in this arena I'd loke your advice on which is better and why also if i have overlooked a better brand/model.

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Helllo

This is my first post and I am looking for some honest advice. I have narrowed down my choices to a Jayco Seneca and Nexus Wraith for my first RV purchase. Both serve my needs for pulling a fully loaded race trailer and has plenty of room for sleeping as long as we get the overhead bunk. Those of you with experience in this arena I'd loke your advice on which is better and why also if i have overlooked a better brand/model.

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D - caught me on line. I have a 2018 Ghost 36DS which is a little bit bigger version of the Wraith. I originally wanted a Seneca but the GVW was 33,000#. Even though I have a Ckass A license, my wife did not want to go throught the testing and licensing. Foound out about the Ghost at 26,000# and ended up with it. Will also pull 20,000# but I only got the 10,000# hitch. Pulls our fullsize Expedition no problem.

We have bunk beds and the overhead bunk. Will sleep our family of 7 with one on the dinnette bunk. In all fairness, last year I did sleep in a tent with my dog for a few nights - funny how that happens.

We're pretty happy with the Ghost. Not sure about the Wraith. I would rank the Seneca a little higher - just my opinion.
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Thanks I appreciate the feedback. I would like to find the model with the bunk beds as well.

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Old 10-05-2020, 01:25 PM   #4
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Looks like you can get bunks in the Wraith and the Ghost The Seneca has floorplans with bunks. There are also some other Super Cs with bunks built on the smaller Ford and Dodge chassis. Not sure about GVW and GCVW.
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Foound out about the Ghost at 26,000# and ended up with it. Will also pull 20,000# but I only got the 10,000# hitch. Pulls our fullsize Expedition no problem.
Hate to tell you but if you hook anything to your 26,000 GVWR motor home you need more license because it pushes you over the 26k threshold.... Only need a B for your situation because the Expy is under 10,000 lbs GVWR. If your towed load was 10k or more GVWR you'd need an A
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This is my first post and I am looking for some honest advice. I have narrowed down my choices to a Jayco Seneca and Nexus Wraith for my first RV purchase. Both serve my needs for pulling a fully loaded race trailer and has plenty of room for sleeping as long as we get the overhead bunk. Those of you with experience in this arena I'd loke your advice on which is better and why also if i have overlooked a better brand/model.

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Be aware of what licensing you will need with an SC towing a large trailer. Being Race Cars it could also put you into a commercial category requiring a CDL
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It's a personal, private use RV, not a commercial business, does not need any license. I drive a super C and tow a 28' race car trailer all over and have never gone on a scale or been stopped anywhere and I drive about 20,000 miles a year. My coach gvwr is 19,500 and gvwr is 26,000. I weigh in just under 26,000 total. My son drives a 40' pusher and tows a 34' 2 car trailer, his coach is rated for 33,000 gvwr, and he is just under that total and he's never been stopped or questioned.
Here in NY, we register our rv as personal use and both of us actually have regular passenger plates on our coaches.
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Just a few comments. As far as the license goes it all depends upon what state you are in. As to the commercial status I've met very few racers that aren't losing money on their operation unless they're in the upper echelons of Indycar or NASCAR, and I know more than a couple.


As far as the coaches go I was making the same decision. Here's my thinking. The Wraith claims a 10,000 lb hitch but if you look at the stickers it says 7,500 weight carrying and 12,000 weight distributed, as least that's the pictures I've seen. I forget what the Seneca comes with but it's comparable as I recall, but watch your GCWR on both of them. As to construction the Wraith uses steel square tubing and the Seneca uses aluminum. The Wraith has a completely composite wall and the Seneca has some luan. The Wraith's basement is made from steel with square corners and the Seneca'a is rotomolded plastic of some type with rounded corners which probably loses you 10-15% of your storage space because very few things have rounded bottoms. The Wraith has marine OSB floors the Seneca does not. I have been to both factories and I was happy with the construction I saw on both I think only one missed staple in both factories. I chose the Wraith mainly because of the marine grade floor, it will be wet at some point, and the steel basement compartments, they can be repaired. I haven't bought the coach yet, but the house is sold, I'm moving into one of my apartments this month and I'll be buying between now and March, just waiting for the winter deals. Good luck.
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It's a personal, private use RV, not a commercial business, does not need any license.
States have been starting to treat it differently for several years. They are taking the stance that any competition that has a potential to have a award of any value can be seen as a for profit commercial operation. They started this with the Rodeo guys here and it has continued into the racers and tractor pullers as well.
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Hate to tell you but if you hook anything to your 26,000 GVWR motor home you need more license because it pushes you over the 26k threshold.... Only need a B for your situation because the Expy is under 10,000 lbs GVWR. If your towed load was 10k or more GVWR you'd need an A
Not so in my state. You can tow up to 9,999# (and maybe 10,000#) before needing more than a Class C license as long as the tow vehicle is less than 26,001# GVW.
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Hi Dwood and welcome to the forum, a group of good folks willing to help. One point of caution however... When you say;
"This is my first post and I am looking for some honest advice."
That's really pushing the envelope right there. We work on the simple principle "If we don't know the answer we'll just make stuff up".

With that said, with the research I've done over the last number of months. Both Jayco and Nexus make a good coach. If all else is equal as far as floorpan is concerned etc I'd probably go with the Jayco. Many more dealers for service and have an excellent reputation.

Just my 2 cents worth...
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This board on iRV2 might be a better one to ask specifically about a Super C. It's where the majority of discussions of them happen. https://www.irv2.com/forums/f18/
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Not so in my state. You can tow up to 9,999# (and maybe 10,000#) before needing more than a Class C license as long as the tow vehicle is less than 26,001# GVW.
I think you need to re-read the requirements in your state. Class C limits you to "any vehicle or combination of vehicles with a GVWR of less than 26001 lbs"

When you hook any trailer to that 26k MH you become a combination vehicle and have crossed the threshold limit of a Class C license and require an elevated license of some sort.

If you can keep the GCWR of your motorhome and trailer/tow'd combination under 26k then a Class C will cover you.
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Your are correct. Good thing I have a Class A as an old truck driver (gave up the CDL portion).

When we head to South Dakota in 2 weeks, my friend will be able to drive my Ghost since we won't need to pulll the car.
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