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WyoFree · 10-03-2020, 03:03 PM

Here is what would be the perfect Class C motorhome. The only reason it’s not currently being build is no RV manufacturer wants to corner the market! Either that or Ol WyoFree has cornered the market in brain power? Believe me, go with the cornering the market...

NOTE: You will need to scroll down to the bottom to see pictures related to each paragraph. You can arrow over each picture and see the number that corresponds to the numbered paragraph. If there is a way to have the picture above or below each paragraph I don't know how to do it and apologize for it.

1. Salon: This is a picture of the Concord 300DS salon. It has a 45 x 76 U-shaped dinette (love that) but we need a 40” TV on a televator directly across from the couch on the huge kitchen counter. That way people on the couch, dinette and swivel seats can see it. The center TV (in the picture) can be made into a cabinet or something. No more cocking your head and looking up requiring many trips to the chiropractor. Who ever thought that was a good idea anyway? I guarantee it was some engineering/design weenie who thought “Hey, I’ll show those RV’ers” a thing or two”! And if the televator interferes with the outside TV either move it or eliminate it. Most people don’t use it anyway. And the swivel font seats are a thing of beauty, perfect for conversation. Another reason to move the TV... It’s hard watching a TV that’s above your head. Come on folks move the TV and stop the craziness!!! And one more thing, no couch in a 30’+ Class C should have a couch any shorter than 6 feet.
2. SLIDES IN: The interior of the Esteem 29V is shown with the slides in. Look at that, almost 96% of the coach is available for use. If the slide won’t go out for any reason no problem, you still have all that space available without feeling claustrophobic. No ruined trip because of a slide problem
3. TOILET AREA: The toilet area shown is again the Esteem 29V. You will note the nice size sink, medicine cabinets, counter top, window, offset porcelain toilet and enough space to actually move. You should be able to sit down and not touch the wall or cabinet, even if you’re a little plus sized. After all we don’t all have bodies of a Greek God? I’m speaking of you of course! And while we’re on the subject, no shower should be less than 30x36.
4. BEDROOM: I like a queen bed running North and South with a nice size closet on a slide with plenty of hanging space and drawers. That’s not a deal breaker because a queen running East and West is fine. I would prefer the head of the bed facing the passenger side. It puts you a little further away from your neighbor. Again, not a deal breaker and a case can be made about not wanting a slide on the the passenger side. An excellent example of a well set up bedroom is shown in the Esteem 29V, note the amount of space at the end of the bed. This should be the minimum and is the most I’ve seen in a Class C. You should be able to change clothes in your bedroom and have enough space to bend over and put your shoes on without hitting the closet.
5. Interior Ceiling: No ceiling should be less than 6’7” in height. Most are 7’ and that’s terrific. But there are some with interior ceilings as low as 6’4”. That’s discrimination on to first order of tall people if I ever saw it. And the Good Lord only knows there’s not enough for us to discriminate against today! I know, I know, it’s aerodynamic and all that but come on. Why would you build something to limit your audience? I’m sure I’m the only one feeling that way, but come on! Talking about claustrophobic, a midget would call foul.
6. BASEMENT: a. All basement doors should have Slam Latch openers. Sure it will cost another few bucks but we can afford it and it’s much more secure and efficient. b. The picture of the rear basement is from an Odyssey 29K and should be the standard for all Class C’s. Wide open pass through with doors on both sides and one in the middle. It’s terrific! And look at the wet bay that is accessed by the basement door but is separate. The more things put behind a door and not stuck on the side of the coach the better.
7. ROOF: I know that composite roofs have come a long way and are less expensive to maintain/fix. But give me a full fiberglas roof anytime and add to that a one piece front cap. And all Class C’s over 30 feet should be offered the option of two air conditioners.

8. WALLS & MORE: Azdel should be on every fiberglas RV on wheels. It’s just one of those things that tells you “Ok, that’s something I don’t have to worry about”! No glue, no wood, no delamination and no glue smell! And by golly put a one piece rear cap on your top level Class C. It not only looks terrific, it wraps around the sides and helps to keep water out adding life of the coach.

I could add a little more but I’m ready to fall asleep by know and I imagine I’ve put you into a state of euphoria as well. For many of you the first time it’s not chemically induced grasshopper.

Ok, it’s your time to chime in telling me just how wrong can I possibly be?

Taffeys · 10-03-2020, 04:55 PM

For me, the first thing a perfect Class C would NOT have is a slide!

TXiceman · 10-03-2020, 06:00 PM

Having had a no slide Winnebago Minnie Winnie 31 ft class C. When we were loaded for a week trip, 1/4 tank fresh water and dry waste tanks, were were exactly 100 lb under the chassis GVWR. A 32 foot class C with slide(s) is going to be in serious trouble on weight and have very little cargo capacity.

Ken

Ron Dittmer · 10-03-2020, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taffeys

For me, the first thing a perfect Class C would NOT have is a slide!

You and I surely have that in common.

We special ordered our Phoenix Cruiser without a slide out. That was 13 years ago. Our decision back then continues to be a winner for us.

If you are the least bit curious, CLICK HERE to review many pictures of our miniature class B+ motor home.

R Cabesa · 10-04-2020, 08:55 AM

Get rid of the THREE TV's, the slides, and seven feet off the rear and it would be about right

WyoFree · 10-04-2020, 09:17 AM

R Cabesa, you sound like a Prius owner.

Look, we all know there are many who do not like slides or a coach over 24 feet and I get that. There are also those who would rather have outdoor facilities. But here’s the thing. My original post has nothing to do with any of those things. The name of my thread is “The Perfect Class C at 32.6 feet... WoW”! Where in that name did you guys get the idea it said;
“I hate slides and small coaches don’t you”?

R Cabesa · 10-04-2020, 10:59 AM

Yeah, sorry. Knee jerk reaction to something that probably many would love to have

Carry on

WyoFree · 10-04-2020, 11:08 AM

You’re a good man R Cabesa, and a closet 30’+ Coach guy for sure.

R Cabesa · 10-04-2020, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WyoFree

You’re a good man R Cabesa, and a closet 30’+ Coach guy for sure.

Call me that if you like but don't EVER call me a Prius guy !!!

WyoFree · 10-04-2020, 12:18 PM

Sorry R Cabesa, I’m sure I meant to say Previous!

Shadowrip · 10-04-2020, 01:11 PM

I like your driver , passenger seats, what brand are those?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Dittmer

You and I surely have that in common.

We special ordered our Phoenix Cruiser without a slide out. That was 13 years ago. Our decision back then continues to be a winner for us.

If you are the least bit curious, CLICK HERE to review many pictures of our miniature class B+ motor home.

Phil G. · 10-04-2020, 01:29 PM

Well, for the DW and myself 32.6 feet would be about 8.6- 9.0 feet too long for a Class C to provide optimum flexibility. All we need in a Class C is:

1. Two tilt-back lounge chairs to read in/daynap in and watch evening movies in.
2. Two queen size beds permanently available.
3. No slides to mess with or tolerate failure with.
4. Large tanks, with one inside the coach and two heated for cold weather.
5. Good galley meal-prep counter space.
6. Good insulation.
7. Large enough propane furnace capacity with distributed, adjustable ducts.
8. Large enough A/C capacity with distributed, adjustable ducts.
9. Three galley propane cooktop burners.
10. A galley propane oven.
11. Good Internet streaming capability.
12. Long enough outside storage for fishing poles, a shovel, and gobs of other stuff.
13. A tall enough shower, with a separate bathroom sink area.
14. A built-in water filter for the galley sink.
15. A propane refrigerator the actually works in all outside temperatures.
16. Enough ground clearance for travel off-road if/as required for our hobby.
17. Main fuel tank travel range of at least 450-500 miles.
18. Large enough battery cabinet for at least two large batteries.
19. A quiet, built-in generator fueled from a large main engine fuel tank.
20. Around 2000 lbs. of CCC margin.

We hardly knew what we were doing when we bought new in 2006 our 2005, 24 ft., slide-less, Itasca, E450 chassis based Class C. But it has all of the above (except for numbers 1. and 11., above) and a lot more of what we have since discovered is necessary in a go anywhere, anytime, hookup or boondock, partially offroad capable Class C.

They're out there ... but it takes some effort to find them.

TourNut · 10-04-2020, 05:54 PM

The Minnie Winnie & Spirit 31K have the same slide-out arrangement . The couch & dinette only , on the only slide & doesn't block any of the kitchen when in. And no water & propane gas pipes moving when operating a slide .
Kitchen on the other side has long food prep counter for the wife and TV on the wall opposite the slide so your neck isn't always cricked to the left & up at the hole that is the overcab bunk.
And the 31Ks have huge 2-door storage under the rear queen bed + some smaller ones.

TourNut · 10-04-2020, 06:37 PM

I Like the slam-latch locks for storage compartments idea . Some are pitiful "latches": We rented a Forest River Class C last year - big under bed storage with 3 doors and NOT ONE of the cheap cam-locks had tabs long enough to engage the body or could actually lock up your stuff ! I was fabricating 3 extra long lock tabs in my garage at midnight before we left on vacation .