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Old 11-27-2021, 02:34 PM   #1
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Dog training collars?

we have a new puppy - a Brittany with lots of energy - this is our 3rd, but 1st puppy when we want to travel in the RV and bring him
we are looking for a collar we can use in the RV by setting a perimeter and at home where we walk him in the woods and want to manually recall him or limit his distance
anyone using a collar that can satisfy both requirements?

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Wouldn't use one myself, but have friends and neighbors who have. I watched one campground neighbor set up a perimeter around his site for his electronic dog fence. It was the longest part of his setup and his dog seemed hurt by it when it approached it. Seemed cruel. A neighbor here has a dog that ignores their invisible fence it on the way out, just runs through it at full speed, goes and does whatever, then comes home and sits outside of it because he doesn't want to cross the perimeter. He has to go out and get him each time. More of a hassle than a help. Another neighbor tried the electronic training collar. He has a beautiful, friendly lab mix and the poor thing yelps in pain when he pushes the button. He had to stop using it because it was clear the dog was in agony.


We haven't had a problem with our beagle on the road. Been bringing him since he was a puppy. He loves it. We'll tether him if we are outside with him but would never leave him alone outside. We take him to the dog parks that seem like they're in every campground and let him roam and run. We stop more and walk him frequently while underway. He's a calm, happy dog when he gets the exercise, and frankly we need it and the break too.
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Old 11-27-2021, 02:53 PM   #3
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i would never want my dog in pain, i would be using tones
it would require training with flags or a walk around the area showing the dog the boundary
never leave my dog alone outside at the RV either

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E-Collar, Mini Educator ET-300. My dog trainer recommended and uses it to train dogs. It is not a "shock collar" per se. It has two modes, a buzzer/vibrator and an electrical stimulation with variable adjustment. My wife, whose father was dean of a university vet school was skeptical but became convinced it was both effective and very humane. We have used it to train two energetic and rambunctious Old English Sheepdogs. You can put your finger on it to test the stimulation and barely notice it. It works to get the dog's attention, then you give them the command. This is nothing like a traditional shock collar used for training hunting dogs.
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A mechanical devise is only part of the care a young dog needs. You mentioned ‘high energy’ and even if you do use the collar, remember that a tired dog is a happy dog. (And less likely to act out, roam, etc.) Find out if your dog is play driven or food driven and use puzzles, agility tube, clicker training and games inside or outside to keep them mentally and physically tired and happy.
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We had & used one that was activated my owner wirelessly. It had settings and would start w tone then shock. We set it at lowest settings and rarely progressed beyond the tone. Used primarily for walking off leash to correct if didn't return when called. Tried very hard to make every time it was put on was a positive experience... treat of off leash walk and the dog always seemed to look forward and didn't shy away when brought out.
I've seen ones that are control radius by a central unit but no experience. I havent seen a dual use one but they may exist.
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I have had dogs all my life. Mostly Labs that were fairly obedient but not what I would consider fully trained.

We are picking up a Goldendoodle puppy in two weeks and am committed to serious training. I have been researching training programs and came across Zak George. Wesite, you tube and books. I am going to give his approach a try.
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Just remember in CGs pets are required to be leashed and under your control

So start leash training.........
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I have had dogs all my life. Mostly Labs that were fairly obedient but not what I would consider fully trained.



We are picking up a Goldendoodle puppy in two weeks and am committed to serious training. I have been researching training programs and came across Zak George. Wesite, you tube and books. I am going to give his approach a try.
I highly recommend one or more of the dog training books by Richard A. Wolters.
http://www.familydogs.com/who-is-richard-a-wolters.html
https://www.thriftbooks.com/a/richard-a-wolters/200389/
He has written 8 or 9 excellent books about training your dog. I have used them for many years to train my dogs including a German Shepherd, an Irish Setter, a Golden Retriever, a Labrador Retriever and an Airedale Terrier/Labrador Retriever/American Staffordshire Terrier mix rescue dog. Unless you're training a hunting dog I recommend "Family Dog," "Home Dog" and/or "City Dog."
He has written the best book for glider pilots titled "The Art and Technique of Soaring." Although I haven't been able to find a copy so I haven't read it he has also written a book for RVers titled "Living on Wheels."
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I would never use one until the puppy is at least a young dog (at least 1 year old, ideally 2). And we never had to get one before, but our current dog needed more. We've always trained with praise & attention. I really don't agree with using food. Treats, yes. It is all about trust. Withholding food doesn't build trust.

We did get one from Amazon that did vibration, sound, and zap. We had to use the zap, after trying the other modes several times with no reaction. And I tested the zap on myself first. But the dog needed a higher setting than I needed. Range is 1-100. I noticed it at about 10. Dog needed about 30. And it worked. Broke her focus on everything else. (That is the issue. She just doesn't hear the commands because her focus is elsewhere.) I would get one again, if needed, but only after regular training isn't working.
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we have a new puppy - a Brittany with lots of energy - this is our 3rd, but 1st puppy when we want to travel in the RV and bring him
we are looking for a collar we can use in the RV by setting a perimeter and at home where we walk him in the woods and want to manually recall him or limit his distance
anyone using a collar that can satisfy both requirements?

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First I do not advise the use of E-collars of any type. The reason is your dog will have a relationship with the collar and not YOU!
If you do use a collar first you have to be trained on how to use it. If used the dog must be collar conditioned before training.
Find a bird dog trainer in your area who does not force train. You should commit to using the following with proper training, a dog-whistle, hand commands or verbal commands.
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We went to a dog training class, which we found out was less about training dogs, and more about training dog owners!

That being said, we don't use the shocking system, but rather we use the very small (less than a pea sized) treat system with plenty of verbal praise for our two Labradoodles. We constantly train them every day, but don't always reward them with a food treat.

At two years old, these two high energy dogs will 'Sit', 'Stay', 'People Sit'(there they will automatically step off the trail and wait for other hikers to pass) 'Wait' on steps and stairs (where they will freeze and wait for us to get to them and then 'down and wait' where they will go down the next part of the steps and wait again so they don't bump into us) 'On Leash' and 'Off Leash' commands, 'Back' where they will immediately run back to us for praise and maybe a treat, and 'Tween us' where they will walk between Sharon and I especially helpful when approaching another dog in a parking lot etc.

Here is a picture of training them to sit and stay while we were camping at a snow ski resort. I said "Graham Stay, Hershey Come'.
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That's impressive! I have Basset hounds. I can only dream of a dog that would obey. I know it's mostly me but they are STUBBORN.
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yes, we do clicker training, treats & praise - no agility yet, but have done with our previous 2 Brittany's
as a previous poster said it is about focus

in CG always leashed, but we do a lot of boondocking, don't ever want to be searching for my pet
i agree, pet training school is about training the owners, not the dogs

a geofence or distance is all about training, a collar is not a shortcut to keep your dog close

i'm just looking for a solution for both the RV boondocking and running free in the woods behind us - Brittany's are not food oriented, just running and using their noses & sometimes they want more of a run than i do & they go on their own walkabout
hopefully just use tones with a collar

not sure waiting until 1 year old, ours is only 11 weeks old & learns very quickly with praise & treats
still working on a good recall and would hope that a collar would help, but i'll take a look at some of the training videos and books

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