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ie2special 04-17-2014 10:00 AM

Anyone compare Entegra to American Coach?
 
I really like Entegra (RBQ) (2yr warranty) but love the floorplans of the American Coach revolution (42t).

If anyone did serious research comparing them can you let me know what helped you make your decision?

I see the chassis difference but I am clearly not educated enough about what the differences entail.

Thanks!

DSL417 04-17-2014 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ie2special (Post 2013720)
I really like Entegra (RBQ) (2yr warranty) but love the floorplans of the American Coach revolution (42t).

If anyone did serious research comparing them can you let me know what helped you make your decision?

I see the chassis difference but I am clearly not educated enough about what the differences entail.

Thanks!

Yahoo Cruzer RV comparisons. He did an American, Tiffen, Entegra comparison about a year and a half ago.

Think you'll find Entegra has better insulation and a different construction approach that some consider better. Some also consider the Spartan chassis better. I'll leave those comparisons to Cruzer (or you can PM him for more).

You're right about floor plans...in that respect, American Coach understands what folks want.

Steve Ownby 04-17-2014 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DSL417 (Post 2013741)
Yahoo Cruzer RV comparisons. He did an American, Tiffen, Entegra comparison about a year and a half ago. Think you'll find Entegra has better insulation and a different construction approach that some consider better. Some also consider the Spartan chassis better. I'll leave those comparisons to Cruzer (or you can PM him for more). You're right about floor plans...in that respect, American Coach understands what folks want.

I think you'll find the the insulation package on coaches of a similar price/quality will perform about the same. If the total wall thickness is the same the the cavity is filled with any typical insulation material and there are no air infiltration points, there is really no place else to go for improvements. The builders all use double pane windows, often from the same manufacturer. My coach is 11 years old and I can tell you with great authority, after spending a very cold winter in it, with the temp several nights dropping to zero, that my insulation performed great.

The two wall building methods, hung and vacuum bonded are different but I suspect when both are done correctly there are no issues. My coach is vacuum bonded and after 11 years I have no issues with wall, floor or roof structure. Both these methods have been used successfully in motorhome construction for years now and are both proven successes.

The Spartan/Freightliner advocates continue to talk. Both are good chassis and have come along way from just offering 2-3 chassis levels to the coach builders. Most of the chassis now, particularly. In the lines discussed here, are essentially customized to the builders specifications.

brobox 04-17-2014 11:31 AM

I did and the stopper for me was Spartan chassis. Have driven a Spartan for 10 years and know what can be required on the road for repairs. I have never had a problem getting a part for a Spartan, most Cummins shops are Spartan repair facility and most fire engines are on Spartan chassis and parts are available even in many small towns. For me the ride is hard to beat on a Spartan. Nothing wrong with an American, I am just a Spartan Loyalists and my biggest deciding factor. The box that sits on the chassis is the DW's decision. We were was so pleased with the Travel Supreme, insulation, etc. the carryover to Entegra was an easy choice for her.

becks 04-17-2014 11:44 AM

Like Chuck, I'm a Spartan fan first and formost.

MRUSA14 04-17-2014 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Ownby (Post 2013821)
I think you'll find the the insulation package on coaches of a similar price/quality will perform about the same. If the total wall thickness is the same the the cavity is filled with any typical insulation material and there are no air infiltration points, there is really no place else to go for improvements.

My experience was quite different. My previous coach was a 2003 Beaver and the insulation on my Entegra is worlds better than the Beaver. The Beaver's wall cabinets were always hot inside in the summer, the Entegra's are not. The Beaver was hard to keep cool on a hot summer day, the Entegra is not, and in the cold, I find that the Aquahot runs noticably less on my 45 foot Entegra than it did on my 41-foot Beaver. I don't know how other coaches compare in this regard.

As for floorplan, I agree that American Coach has excellent designs. In fact I was so taken with one of their layouts that I was ready to buy one until I saw the coach with the slides retracted. The center aisle on the model that I wanted was so narrow as to be nearly impassable, and the bathroom door would hardly open for someone to get in there. Some of the AC floorplans use very deep slideouts on both sides of the coach, yielding a huge area when slides are open but almost no space when the slides are closed. This was a big deal to us, enough rule that coach out. I like to be able to move around freely in the coach at rest stops, etc.

I never got so far as to drive the coach so I don't know how it compares in that regard, but Cruzer rates Entegra as having the best ride and handling and that is good enough for me.

The Beaver had finer cabinettry than any coach I've ever seen. Bottom line is that every coach has its plusses and minuses. You have to figure out which "defects" are disqualifying in your mind, and rule those coaches out. Then balance the pros and cons of the remaining coaches against your priorities. For me, the Spartan Chassis, world-class construction, two year warranty, great customer support and advantageous pricing of the Entegra more than offset whatever things I did not care for. Your mileage may vary.

CoreyinWP 04-17-2014 01:01 PM

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Here is the Cruzer comparison

Mr_Mechanica 04-17-2014 02:43 PM

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Here is the Cruzer comparison

We spent a lot of time looking into the AC and Entegra.

They are different in many ways. The Entegra hands down has the best content and extras making it an incredible value.

The American Coach has excellent engineering and IMHO the best basement and rigid chassis (Liberty). You can literally open the basement doors and hose it out. Wheel cut is 60 degrees too.

I have attached a copy of a powerpoint that I got from American Coach last year comparing the Revolution to the Aspire. I tried to get a similar document from Entegra -- perhaps someone has one.

Bottom line both are great coaches. Good luck with your search. :thumb:

Fasteddie08 04-17-2014 03:36 PM

The American tradition was on list. We went down to Ancira RV in Texas to look at them. Even test drove one. We liked it ! Nice floor plan with a full wall slide. The kitchen was on the driver side of the coach which I thought was more appropriate. I will be very open and honest with you, we purchased our first Class A for family fun and vacations we do not live in it and we put a $250,000 limit when we first started to look but ended up with the Entegra Anthem RBQ. Which meant that we were roughly $100,000 over our so-called budget. However, In order for us to justify the additional money we had to make very sure that Entegra built a better coach, so we did a detailed comparison and felt that Entegra was better built, had finer amenities, combined with the Spartan Chassis, combined with the year warranty and 3 year roadside assistance was by far the best we could get for "our" money. To top it off, we got lucky and will be receiving the $2,000 fuel card from Entegra! Good luck. I am sure you will be happy in whichever coach you buy.

JMonroe 04-17-2014 04:49 PM

Both are great coaches. I suggest you get the one you can envision yourself living in.

Mario-John 04-17-2014 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Mechanica (Post 2014036)
We spent a lot of time looking into the AC and Entegra.

They are different in many ways. The Entegra hands down has the best content and extras making it an incredible value.

The American Coach has excellent engineering and IMHO the best basement and rigid chassis (Liberty). You can literally open the basement doors and hose it out. Wheel cut is 60 degrees too.

I have attached a copy of a powerpoint that I got from American Coach last year comparing the Revolution to the Aspire. I tried to get a similar document from Entegra -- perhaps someone has one.

Bottom line both are great coaches. Good luck with your search. :thumb:


I went over that power point, it was either very old or put together by somone that didn't know what an aspire is, it appears to be a hodge-podge of anthem, aspire, and 2011-2014 models. THere is no side by side, it's as if they picked random features and tried to put them side by side with no rhyme or reason.

I never trust any "side by side" comparisons put together by competitive manufacturers.. They never have the correct specs or facts. Reminds me of a video I saw put together by maybe a Winnebago dealer and posted on you tube that was hilarious if you actually knew of the vast discrepancies.

Mr_Mechanica 04-17-2014 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mario-John (Post 2014322)
I went over that power point, it was either very old or put together by somone that didn't know what an aspire is, it appears to be a hodge-podge of anthem, aspire, and 2011-2014 models. THere is no side by side, it's as if they picked random features and tried to put them side by side with no rhyme or reason.

I never trust any "side by side" comparisons put together by competitive manufacturers.. They never have the correct specs or facts. Reminds me of a video I saw put together by maybe a Winnebago dealer and posted on you tube that was hilarious if you actually knew of the vast discrepancies.


I tend to ignore the side of the opposing competitive coach but it is interesting to see the points the manufacturer highlights as being superior on their product. It is often hard to get this from a brochure. In this case American Coach is stressing quality of materials and structural advantages.

No question each coach have some unique advantages. The more information the better to decide.

brobox 04-17-2014 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ie2special (Post 2013720)
I really like Entegra (RBQ) (2yr warranty) but love the floorplans of the American Coach revolution (42t).

If anyone did serious research comparing them can you let me know what helped you make your decision?

I see the chassis difference but I am clearly not educated enough about what the differences entail.

Thanks!

I remembered something else. We are outside patio people and we didn't care for the large slides on the patio side on the American. The large slide makes it harder to get in the basement compartments. Again, just the way we use our MH. Our last MH didn't have patio slides at all, so that was a big move up for us to even have a slide taking up awning space. :)

ie2special 04-18-2014 05:21 AM

Good points. Hubby was looking them all over and he seems to feel the revolution is more comparable to the anthem but at an aspire price. I don't mind him thinking this because it love the American coach floor plan. Can anyone tell email why he is right/wrong?


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