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NorthernCamp 06-04-2014 04:49 PM

Is my truck too small
 
Hi All
I am new to this form and i recent purchased a 2015 Jayco Jayswift travel trailer what i need to know is my truck to small to tow this around here is what my trailer is and all the weights and then my truck any an all comments are welcom

Trailer
Jayco Jayswift 29QBS
34,9 feet
Unloaded Weight- 6,500 LBS
Dry Hitch - 685 LBS
GVWR 9,500 LBS

Truck

2006 GMC 1500HD Crew Cab Long Box it came with the tow package and all
V8-6
4.10 Ratio
Max Trailer Weight- 9900 LBS
GCWR-16,000

Hitch

Weight Carrying- ( Max Trailer Weight ) 5000lbs
( Max Tongue Weight) 600lbs

Weight Distributing ( Max Trailer Weight) 12,000 LBS
( Max Tongue Weight) 1500 lbs



I am sure my truck can tow this trailer easy i tow sleds in the winter for mountain riding any and all help is good also i do have the EQ 1200 Sway control ( equalizer ) please any help to get me started is good

Triker56 06-04-2014 05:00 PM

Looks like you will need to equalize 185 lb off the trailer hitch weight.

Ranger Smith 06-04-2014 05:15 PM

Well if the hitch tongue weight is 600 lbs and the spec for the trailer tongue weight is 685 there is an issue right there. And that is empty tongue weight. If you should get in an accident i think you are in trouble. Not trying to be weight police

rideandslide 06-04-2014 05:33 PM

Well- If you put a 20 % cushion in there your over or at the limit !

Jack1234 06-04-2014 06:22 PM

If the GVW of your trailer is 9,500 then your tongue weight is going to be over +1000.

Do you have the payload capacity to handle this much load?

Truck GVWR - fully loaded "wet" weight of your truck (including everything & everybody) = Payload

SmokeyWren 06-04-2014 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorthernCamp (Post 2081604)
Trailer
GVWR 9,500 LBS

Truck
Max Trailer Weight- 9900 LBS
GCWR-16,000

Hitch
Weight Distributing ( Max Tongue Weight) 1500 lbs

I am sure my truck can tow this trailer easy

Pull it, yes, but not tow it without being overloaded.

You omitted important info required to give a definitive reply.

What is the GVWR of the truck?

How much does the truck weigh when wet and loaded with all the people, pets, tools, hitch, other stuff, and full of gas?

Dry weights are useless info. So ignore them and develop your wet and loaded weights.

With trailer GVWR of 9,500 pounds, assume it will be loaded to the max by the middle of your third RV trip. Assume hitch weight of 15% of gross trailer weight, or 1,425 pounds hitch weight. So at least your WD hitch is adequate for that trailer.

Subtract the wet and loaded weight of the truck from the GVWR of the truck and the answer is the max hitch weight you can haul without being overloaded. If that max hitch weight is not at least 1,425, then you don't have enough truck for that trailer.

As a general rule, most half-ton pickups cannot tow a trailer that weighs more than about 5,000 pounds without being overloaded. None can tow a TT that weighs 9,500 pounds without being overloaded. My F-150 is overloaded with my small TT that weighs only 4,870 pounds when wet and loaded on the road.

lanerd 06-04-2014 08:42 PM

You should have researched this question "PRIOR" to purchasing the trailer as you are going to find out that your truck will not have the payload capability to haul this trailer.:cry2: You will have the horsepower to "pull" the trailer, but the tongue weight (plus you, passengers, equipment, tools, camping equipment, etc) will max out your payload very quickly.

To answer your question, Yes, your truck is too small.

Ron

Bagger97 06-04-2014 09:27 PM

Find the tire info tag on the driver door jam. Should find max load number, subtract weight of passengers and luggage. Whats left is available tongue weight.

marcham 06-04-2014 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorthernCamp (Post 2081604)
what i need to know is my truck to small to tow this around

Most likely, yes. With propane, batteries and a bit of gear in the trailer, you will be at about 1000-1200lb tongue weight. Add another 60-80lbs for the hitch?

What is the rear axle weight limit on your truck? Do you drive with passengers and anything in the bed?

Guess you found a good excuse to look at F250 and f350s...

09 harley 06-04-2014 10:40 PM

It's not that your trailer is too large it's that your truck is too small. I still say that the UPPER limit for a 1/2 ton is 7500 and that is being generous. I am more worried about safety and I pull a 6500 lb trailer with a F250. Gives me peace of mind and extra room if I decide to upgrade. Please do yourself and those around you a favor and buy a new truck.

Arch Hoagland 06-04-2014 11:44 PM

I think you are going to be shopping for a new truck pretty soon.

Go for a 3/4 ton diesel next time.

I bought a 27 foot trailer and tried pulling it with a GMC 1500. Added air bags in the rear, etc and finally bought a 3/4 ton pickup.

stink 06-04-2014 11:54 PM

I sence a white nucle drive in your future with your truck. I'm with the get a bigger truck crowd.

NorthernCamp 06-05-2014 01:53 AM

Here is my truck specs off the door

The GVWR
8600
GAWR FRONT
4410
GVWR REAR
6000

Also the 1500HD model is a 3/4 are they not? Or is it just the 1500 suspension with a bigger motor and trany?

Also I'd say my truck weighs 5800 wet maybe 600 with all supplies for camping

DanFromGC 06-05-2014 05:37 AM

You will likely be OK if you keep in mind that you are close to your limits. Most of the advice here is under the assumption that you are towing 9,500 lbs. BUT, that is the MAXIMUM your Jayco is rated to weigh. The advice is not wrong, because if you CAN max it, they have to assume you WILL. I would not test the limits on your Jayco's wheels, bearings, axles and frame. I have a similar Jayco with dry and max weights just like yours, and pull it with my F150 ecoboost. The specs say it is 6,500 dry, but actually just over 7,000 with the tanks and as delivered.

So, to hit that 9,500 lbs max weight means you would need to stick about 2,000 lbs of stuff inside the Jayco. Dont do that! Keep it reasonable and you will be fine. You also MUST use a WD hitch with sway control to get to your max tongue weight of 1200. That will take some of that 800-1200 hitch weight and put it on the front axle and some on the trailers axles. You will be close, no doubt. Don't put anything in your truck bed even though it is tempting, wasted space. You and the wife, with the trailer hitched up will be about all you can handle. But you will handle it fine. The stuff you put in the trailer should be lightweight camping stuff. Resist the urge to load it up with full weight things you use for normal living and buy the lighter stuff for camping. Chairs, tables, plastic ware for eating, etc. Keep it light!

I'm not discounting what anyone above has said. You are asking for advice and their advice is spot on. You (and I) should get a bigger truck because it has more capacity, and will provide a safer and more pleasant towing experience. I've got my eyes on my next vehicle, but it's not happening this year and probably not next. In the mean time, I'm towing at very close to my limits, keeping the truck at 60mph and under, staying in the slow lane, enjoying the scenery and loving the camping life! Good luck!

marcham 06-05-2014 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorthernCamp (Post 2082181)
Here is my truck specs off the door

The GVWR
8600
GAWR FRONT
4410
GVWR REAR
6000

Also the 1500HD model is a 3/4 are they not? Or is it just the 1500 suspension with a bigger motor and trany?

Also I'd say my truck weighs 5800 wet maybe 600 with all supplies for camping

OK, now find a scale in your area and get the truck and each axle weighted with a full tank of gas, then you'll have a better idea. 6000 gawr for the rear is pretty good.

SmokeyWren 06-05-2014 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorthernCamp (Post 2082180)
Here is my truck specs off the door

The GVWR
8600
GAWR FRONT
4410
GVWR REAR
6000

Also the 1500HD model is a 3/4 are they not? Or is it just the 1500 suspension with a bigger motor and trany?

GVWR over 8,500 pounds makes it a 3/4-ton. So with GVWR of 8,600 you can tow a lot heavier trailer than a normal half-ton pickup without being overloaded.

With 1,425 pounds hitch weight and 8,600 pounds GVWR, that leaves 7,175 pounds for the max wet and loaded weight of the pickup before you tie onto the trailer. That's probably enough that you might not be overloaded with that trailer. However, a Ford F-250 V-10 gas engine 4x2 crewcab weighs 7,400 pounds with my wife, dog, tools and hitch in it. So if your Chevy 1500 is as heavy as a Ford F-250, then you'll still be overloaded with that much trailer.

Quote:

Also I'd say my truck weighs 5800 wet maybe 600 with all supplies for camping
That's 6,400 wet and loaded. But guessing will get you in trouble. Load the truck and weigh it to be certain. If your wet and loaded truck weighs less than 7,175 without the trailer, then you probably won't be overloaded with hitch weight of 1,475.

Franka548 06-05-2014 08:02 AM

Smokey,
GM trucks do weigh quite a bit less than comparable Fords. Although I agree with you on the weigh the truck so the actual weights are known. The OP will be real close, so weighing will be critical.
Frank

wa8yxm 06-05-2014 08:21 AM

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NorthernCamp 06-05-2014 11:39 AM

Thanks for all the great advice a lot had lead me in different directions and finding out information I never knew thanks folks I know I am fine just had to see what people had to say ya next year or the year after I'll look into something new and bigger like a 3500 but for now this truck will do great

caissiel 06-06-2014 07:50 AM

Your truck is a light duty 3/4 ton by GM. The advantage is it can be loaded well with the exception of the heavier frame of the HD 3/4 ton.
An advantage if equipped with a gas engine.
The truck itself is light and for me when towing heavy I never shy away from loading the truck itself. Less axle weight is against my comfort for towing.
My neighbour tows all his families camper trailers around with his 1/4 ton Ranger and told me that to much WD setting has caused stability problems. He prefers to load the rear of the truck for comfort.

Goneracin 06-10-2014 09:26 AM

Just thought I would put in a little real world info. First of all, very good info here, and Smokeywren is correct, it is very important to get real world weights and be extra sure everything is set up correctly. I will also add to that, its not just how much the trailer weighs, but where that weight is. If you load the trailer up with all your gear in the back and make it tail heavy, you will not be in for a good ride no matter what you are towing with.

This past weekend I came back from Pocono Raceway, and I followed my friend for a part of the way. Here is a little comparison.

He is towing a 27 footer with his 2012 suburban. Right away you can see he is pushing it. After some advice last year, he got a better hitch and loaded better, and yes it did make an improvement he said. In my opinion he is still over the limit in a few areas.

I have my 2001 F-250 pulling my 20 footer. Due to having a bigger truck I was able to pack pretty much whatever I wanted. Plenty of food and drinks, extra chairs and tables, generator, fuel, full water tank, plenty of pots and pans, grill, full propane tanks, larger battery than original... the list goes on and on but you get the point.

He has already had to replace his transmission due to overheating, so now he is looking to add a cooler and gauge to fix that problem.

First hill on the way home, we both hit it at about 65 MPH, I was able to maintain that speed the whole way up, and my transmission never got above 160 the whole trip. He fell so far behind that we were able to stop for lunch and be just getting back on the highway as he passed us. We were able to cruise at 70, occasionally dropping to 60 for some of the long hills on I-84.

Now Im not making any argument, just giving some real world experiences. Yes your 1500HD is better equipped, so you probably wont have issues like him. Im just showing how much easier of a trip it can be if you have more truck.

Best of luck, and enjoy the new camper!!!

JIMNLIN 06-10-2014 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorthernCamp (Post 2082180)
Here is my truck specs off the door

The GVWR
8600
GAWR FRONT
4410
GVWR REAR
6000

Also the 1500HD model is a 3/4 are they not? Or is it just the 1500 suspension with a bigger motor and trany?

Also I'd say my truck weighs 5800 wet maybe 600 with all supplies for camping

Your correct. The early '00 to mid '00 GM 1500HDs were the old 3/4 ton chassis.

Along with the 6000 RAWR comes the load range E tires with 8 lug wheels/4.10 gear and the 6.0 engine and 4L80 tranny all with payloads up in the 3100-3200 lb range depending on selected truck options.

This truck with its 1500HD is a sleeper in towing duties.

Goneracin 06-11-2014 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JIMNLIN (Post 2089959)
Your correct. The early '00 to mid '00 GM 1500HDs were the old 3/4 ton chassis.

Along with the 6000 RAWR comes the load range E tires with 8 lug wheels/4.10 gear and the 6.0 engine and 4L80 tranny all with payloads up in the 3100-3200 lb range depending on selected truck options.

This truck with its 1500HD is a sleeper in towing duties.

well that sounds like good promising news. Does your truck have all these options?

wandering1 06-11-2014 07:48 AM

Yes, get a truck.


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