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54Fun 03-07-2017 07:25 PM

Half ton towable with full bunkhouse, full outdoor kitchen
 
Anybody know of any models out there that are around 6000lbs dry (guessing that is the safe range for an F150) and has a large full (not miniature) outdoor kitchen, and a full bunkhouse room that can be closed off (not just stacking bunks in the corner with a curtain)? I really want (and was originally planning to get a Jayco 32BHDS (7600 dry, 955 tongue weight) but the consensus seems to be that it is really pushing my 2016 3.5 Ecoboost F150 Max Tow too much (still open for opinions here as well).

Assuming that unit is too heavy - anybody know of a similar layout in a lighter unit?

marcham 03-07-2017 10:24 PM

I will suggest that 6000lb dry is far too much for an f150. My Nash 23B is listed at 4980 lbs dry and we had to upgrade to an F250. Tow ratings are designed for boat trailers which have low profile and low tongue weights.

A 30 min tow once i a while you will be ok , but we drive sometimes 8hrs a day and the f150 was exhausting to drive while towing.

marcham 03-07-2017 10:26 PM

Trade your EB for a used 3/4 or 1 ton and then get the trailer you want.

Parks 03-07-2017 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by marcham (Post 3491380)
I will suggest that 6000lb dry is far too much for an f150. My Nash 23B is listed at 4980 lbs dry and we had to upgrade to an F250. Tow ratings are designed for boat trailers which have low profile and low tongue weights.

A 30 min tow once i a while you will be ok , but we drive sometimes 8hrs a day and the f150 was exhausting to drive while towing.

"Whatcha talkin' 'bout, Willis"?:facepalm::facepalm::laugh:

Edit: OP, your best bet is to go on RV Trader and put in the search parameters for travel trailers and sit back and browse all the listings and look at pictures. I am real particular on what we want and literally went through 51 pages the last two nights trying to find the right trailer at the right prices. Many ads had floor plan layouts with their pictures. The reality is if you are looking at any trailers in the 6-7K dry weight range you may want to step it up to a 3/4 ton truck. It all depends on your trucks capacities and your comfort level.

Matfam1 03-07-2017 10:37 PM

I just bought a Cruiser RV SC-280QBS, seems to fit your request. Tows great with my 1500 Dodge.

Starbreaker 03-08-2017 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcham (Post 3491380)
I will suggest that 6000lb dry is far too much for an f150. My Nash 23B is listed at 4980 lbs dry and we had to upgrade to an F250. Tow ratings are designed for boat trailers which have low profile and low tongue weights.

A 30 min tow once i a while you will be ok , but we drive sometimes 8hrs a day and the f150 was exhausting to drive while towing.

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. And F250 for less then 5klbs? Non-sense.

marcham 03-08-2017 05:49 AM

5k empty = 7k loaded = 800-850lb tongue weight + hitch + people in truck + gear in bed = rear axle overloaded by 200-300lbs = unstable driving at highway speeds (without any wind). Add crosswinds and it gets really unpleasant.

Spdracr39 03-08-2017 06:56 AM

I towed a 7000 lb trailer behind my 1/2 ton Silverado on a couple of 4 hour trips and it was exhausting. Pulling the same trailer behind my 3/4 ton is like regular driving with no stress involved. 1/2 tons will pull campers but the experience suffers and IMO takes away from the camping experience. Is a 3/4 or 1 ton required? No but is it more desirable and worth the upgrade yes. My truck is also a daily driver and other than the fuel mileage it isn't any different than driving the 1/2 ton.

54Fun 03-08-2017 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Matfam1 (Post 3491396)
I just bought a Cruiser RV SC-280QBS, seems to fit your request. Tows great with my 1500 Dodge.

Thanks...yep, that is right in line with what I'm looking for! I can't seem to locate the manufacturer's website to see who their dealers are, but an rvtrader search points mainly to dealer in the west. I'm in FL. I'll keep looking though - this is a great baseline if I decide to keep my F150, and not upgrade to a Super Duty

54Fun 03-08-2017 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by spdracr39 (Post 3491625)
I towed a 7000 lb trailer behind my 1/2 ton Silverado on a couple of 4 hour trips and it was exhausting. Pulling the same trailer behind my 3/4 ton is like regular driving with no stress involved. 1/2 tons will pull campers but the experience suffers and IMO takes away from the camping experience. Is a 3/4 or 1 ton required? No but is it more desirable and worth the upgrade yes. My truck is also a daily driver and other than the fuel mileage it isn't any different than driving the 1/2 ton.

Great input. Thank you!

BirchyBoy 03-08-2017 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 54Fun (Post 3491645)
Thanks...yep, that is right in line with what I'm looking for! I can't seem to locate the manufacturer's website to see who their dealers are, but an rvtrader search points mainly to dealer in the west. I'm in FL. I'll keep looking though - this is a great baseline if I decide to keep my F150, and not upgrade to a Super Duty

You didn't say what part of Florida, but this search was based on Orlando. This will take you to the website and then you can change the zip. Shadow Cruiser appears to be the brand for that model.

https://www.cruiserrv.com/dealer-loc...%5D=%7CSCUL%7C

54Fun 03-08-2017 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BirchyBoy (Post 3491656)
You didn't say what part of Florida, but this search was based on Orlando. This will take you to the website and then you can change the zip. Shadow Cruiser appears to be the brand for that model.

https://www.cruiserrv.com/dealer-loc...%5D=%7CSCUL%7C

Clearly I need another cup of coffee...completely missed that, and was even at that dealer in Dover several weeks ago. Thanks!

UTTransplant 03-08-2017 07:33 AM

look first at the yellow post on the pillar of your truck for the real capacity of your specific model. Then calculate the weight of all the gear in the truck plus the people (remember kids only grow), add 80 pounds for a weight distribution hitch. Now you know what you have left for a trailer both in hitch weight and towing capacity. Then ignore any dry weight that a trailer manufacturer posts. It doesn't include propane, water, any gear, and generally not even items like the awning. Use the gross axel weight capacity instead because you will load it that way eventually (especially with kids). I bet you will end up looking at the 3/4 ton truck to get what you want.

Note we had a 1/2 ton and moved to a 3/4 ton. The big truck was a hard drive around town until we started lowering the rear tire pressure to 65 instead of the 80 it needs for towing. We just air the tires up before we tow, and we can't tell the difference in the ride quality between the two trucks. Physical size isn't much different either, though we had 4W drive on both so they were both big.

6Kampers 03-08-2017 04:01 PM

We bought the camper we wanted, thinking our TV could pull it.... after some white knuckling short trips, I bought a F250 and drive with 1 hand now!! If buying the camper was the greatest family decision ever, buying a bigger truck would have to be 2nd

Reevesfamily 03-08-2017 08:08 PM

As long as you are within the weight limits of your TV, tires, and TT everything else is someone's opinion based on their experience. I pull about 8500 lbs with 900 lbs on the tongue with a great hitch and have zero issues with fatigue or fear. 2010 Ford F-150 King Ranch 2wd with 3:55 gear, good rubber, and we don't over load the truck. Don't understand all the paranoia about the 150 but I respect others opinions on it and it they are fearful of it then it's best to upgrade the TV. We don't try to kill it by setting daily distance records and that is helpful to the work load. The older we get the less distance we want to travel each day and the earlier we like to get set up and kicked back listening to the crickets.

parkerbill 03-09-2017 06:26 AM

Half ton towable with full bunkhouse, full outdoor kitchen
 
We tow a 31' overall, ~6,500 lb loaded for travel (7,500 GVW) travel trailer with a '13 F150 Platinum 4x4 Screw 3.5 Ecoboost with Max Tow and 3.73 rear using a Blue Ox Sway Pro WDH and it is a relaxing, one hand drive. Would a 250 class truck do it easier and better? Yep, probably would, but our rig is a very sweet handling setup.

Randy the sly old fox 03-10-2017 11:26 PM

My DD and SIL tow a 32' Keystone Cougar Dry wt around 6200 lbs they tow with an F150 Eco Boost 3.6L I have not driven this combo - SIL says it drives fine. Just that the MPG towing is in the toilet - but the 20MPG light makes up for it. He also runs premium fuel. I have driven the truck light and it does ride nice and has great get up an go.


I tow an Arctic Fox 22H that weighs (actual scale wt) loaded for camping (no water) at 6000 lbs. I towed it with a 1999 Chev Tahoe 5.7L 3.73 rear end - it was white knuckle all the way. Switched to a 2500HD 6.0L 4.11 rear gears and the new 6speed transmission and it was a whole new world. Enough that I ventured out from Portland OR to Glacier NP and back and forth to Spokane a couple of times as well as a swing through Eastern Oregon pulling over the blue Mts.


In the next few months I expect to make another set of big moves - a new truck and TT.

jason_sos 03-11-2017 10:12 AM

Check out the Coachman Freedom Express 292BHDSLE. It appears to be exactly what you are looking for. My friend has this model from a few years back and it's great.

Badlands Bob 03-20-2017 07:12 PM

With the 1/2 ton you're going to be looking at bunkhouse/ outside kitchen configurations like the 2455BHS from Winnebago. You need to keep the gross trailer weight around 7,000 lbs and under 30 feet in length.

https://winnebagoind.com/products/tr...nie/floorplans

lcboy 03-20-2017 07:57 PM

I pull a 272 bh vibe with a half ton Chevy z71 it weights 6500 lbs and it's 32 ft long but it's a little big. My next one will be 28 ft.

grmaestas 03-20-2017 07:59 PM

I'm with the majority, I towed a 30' 1991 Dutchmen classic,dry weight 4,800, with my F150. Although I never felt unsafe, it was a gas hog,lacked any power in the mountains here in Colorado, the truck just struggled on long/steep grades. Last two trips the tranny started slipping once we arrived at camp. Upgraded to F-350 6.7 PSD,it was like night and day! Our excuse to upgrade to a larger unit at around #10,000. Love the new setup!

patriot07 03-20-2017 08:02 PM

Your F-150 with ecoboost should be fine with 6k lbs unloaded. I'm looking in that range for my Ram ecodiesel, and I don't even think they make an F-150 EB model with a tow rating as low as my ED.

What are the specs on your truck? UVW, GCWR, etc.? Or what cab/axle/2wd/4wd/etc. do you have?

dexters 03-20-2017 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by marcham (Post 3491544)
5k empty = 7k loaded = 800-850lb tongue weight + hitch + people in truck + gear in bed = rear axle overloaded by 200-300lbs = unstable driving at highway speeds (without any wind). Add crosswinds and it gets really unpleasant.

This is the answer.

patriot07 03-20-2017 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dexters (Post 3511045)
This is the answer.

What are you putting in your trailer that weighs 2,000 lbs? Literally a ton of gear? That seems pretty unrealistic.

54Fun 03-20-2017 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by patriot07 (Post 3511042)
Your F-150 with ecoboost should be fine with 6k lbs unloaded. I'm looking in that range for my Ram ecodiesel, and I don't even think they make an F-150 EB model with a tow rating as low as my ED.

What are the specs on your truck? UVW, GCWR, etc.? Or what cab/axle/2wd/4wd/etc. do you have?

Mine is a 2016 F-150 3.5L Ecoboost crew cab, 3.55, 4x4 with Max Tow package (rated 12,200 towing, has trans cooler, integrated brake controller, stabilizer bar, heavy duty bumper, tow/haul mode, etc)...365HP, 425 ft lbs torque. Mine is GVWR of 7000, 1482 on cargo. This truck is absolutely amazing with TONS of power (yes, I know...its not a Powerstroke diesel, but it is amazing). I've only had it less than a year, and am between the trailer I want, and mixed opinions on what it can/should be able to safely tow. As much as I'd love a new Super Duty- i just can't pull it off with a trade.

I'm getting a lot of input that if I have an anti-sway/WD hitch (willing to buy a top of the line like a ProPride or Hensley) and with the capabilities of this truck I should easily be able to pull, handle and stop an 8000lb gross weight trailer. That "this is not your half ton of 5-10 years ago". Still looking, still open...we found one we like that is 6800 dry, with only 510lb tongue weight (Mallard M32).

Thanks for everyone's input

dexters 03-20-2017 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by patriot07 (Post 3511047)
What are you putting in your trailer that weighs 2,000 lbs? Literally a ton of gear? That seems pretty unrealistic.

You need to do some research on the payload of a F150 and the math of it with a travel trailer.

Here's a hint it isn't 2,000 lbs.

Badlands Bob 03-20-2017 09:50 PM

The payload on my 2015 F-150 FX4 is 1,840 lbs. A 2 wheel drive will be over 1,900 lbs. This is from the sticker on the door frame. Certain configurations will be even higher. When they went to the aluminum body, it really raised the carrying capacity.

dexters 03-20-2017 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badlands Bob (Post 3511237)
The payload on my 2015 F-150 FX4 is 1,840 lbs. A 2 wheel drive will be over 1,900 lbs. This is from the sticker on the door frame. Certain configurations will be even higher. When they went to the aluminum body, it really raised the carrying capacity.


The hitch limit seems to be 1,220lbs.

https://www.ford.com/resources/ford/..._F150_Sep7.pdf

https://www.ramtrucks.com/assets/tow...ing_charts.pdf

Ram 1500 is 1,100 lbs.

patriot07 03-21-2017 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dexters (Post 3511141)
You need to do some research on the payload of a F150 and the math of it with a travel trailer.

Here's a hint it isn't 2,000 lbs.

He said 5k dry, which means 7k loaded. I was wondering what he put in his trailer that weighs 2,000 lbs. That's a ton of weight, literally.

patriot07 03-21-2017 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 54Fun (Post 3511078)
Mine is a 2016 F-150 3.5L Ecoboost crew cab, 3.55, 4x4 with Max Tow package (rated 12,200 towing, has trans cooler, integrated brake controller, stabilizer bar, heavy duty bumper, tow/haul mode, etc)...365HP, 425 ft lbs torque. Mine is GVWR of 7000, 1482 on cargo. This truck is absolutely amazing with TONS of power (yes, I know...its not a Powerstroke diesel, but it is amazing). I've only had it less than a year, and am between the trailer I want, and mixed opinions on what it can/should be able to safely tow. As much as I'd love a new Super Duty- i just can't pull it off with a trade.

I'm getting a lot of input that if I have an anti-sway/WD hitch (willing to buy a top of the line like a ProPride or Hensley) and with the capabilities of this truck I should easily be able to pull, handle and stop an 8000lb gross weight trailer. That "this is not your half ton of 5-10 years ago". Still looking, still open...we found one we like that is 6800 dry, with only 510lb tongue weight (Mallard M32).

Thanks for everyone's input

You're going to run into payload and length issues before you run into total weight issues. The Mallard M32 is 35' long, which is a lot of trailer for a half ton with a 145" wheel base. You'd be better off in the 30'-32' range total length.

Payload will ultimately be the limiting factor with your weight. With only 1,482 lbs of payload, you'll need to find the lightest tongue weight you can. Add up whatever truck cargo, hitch weight, fuel weight, and passengers you'll be carrying and subtract that from 1,482 and that will be your allowable tongue weight. You'll probably want to stay in the 700 lbs range (maybe 600 lbs mfgr spec plus extras).

54Fun 03-21-2017 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by patriot07 (Post 3511614)
You're going to run into payload and length issues before you run into total weight issues. The Mallard M32 is 35' long, which is a lot of trailer for a half ton with a 145" wheel base. You'd be better off in the 30'-32' range total length.

Payload will ultimately be the limiting factor with your weight. With only 1,482 lbs of payload, you'll need to find the lightest tongue weight you can. Add up whatever truck cargo, hitch weight, fuel weight, and passengers you'll be carrying and subtract that from 1,482 and that will be your allowable tongue weight. You'll probably want to stay in the 700 lbs range (maybe 600 lbs mfgr spec plus extras).

Thanks. Yes, thats one of the reasons the Mallard stood out as they list it at 560lb tongue weight (6700 dry - the one we looked at was 6900) See here Not sure if they are playing game with the specs or not...

Loraura 03-21-2017 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason_sos (Post 3496018)
Check out the Coachman Freedom Express 292BHDSLE. It appears to be exactly what you are looking for. My friend has this model from a few years back and it's great.



Skip the LE trim and you may have a winner. It's what we pull with a 5.7L hemi RAM 1500.

In addition to many weekend trips, I've towed it from Austin TX thru CO to Moab, UT and back with no problems and no desire to get a bigger truck. I really thought we'd get back from that long trip and start looking at 2500's but it did so well we didn't see the need to do that.

Loraura 05-22-2017 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Loraura (Post 3512899)
Skip the LE trim and you may have a winner. It's what we pull with a 5.7L hemi RAM 1500.

In addition to many weekend trips, I've towed it from Austin TX thru CO to Moab, UT and back with no problems and no desire to get a bigger truck. I really thought we'd get back from that long trip and start looking at 2500's but it did so well we didn't see the need to do that.

Alas, the wind has finally gotten to us. We upgraded to a 2500 this weekend. I didn't feel unsafe in the 1500, per say, but there was more white knuckling than I wanted. Rear/cross winds were making me feel a little like skating, like I couldn't get enough weight on the front wheels.

I bought new LT tires, I checked and reset up my Blue Ox. Checked TT tire pressure before every trip. Nothing seemed to help much. The wind has just been crazy here lately.

I don't want to get stuck somewhere due to wind that is not dangerous with the right equipment. I don't want to have to drive home at 50 MPH if there are 25 MPH cross winds.

So.... we shall see how the new truck does in 2 weeks.

Stroker548 05-22-2017 08:06 PM

All these 1/2 tons will pull the weight. Its the length and the wind that does them in. I dont care what anyone says I would never pull something over 28 foot long with a half ton. Even if it only weighed 5k.

LA_RV_Guy 05-23-2017 05:28 PM

Things can go wrong with any RV and TV. Do the math work up and make sure you have plenty of cushion from your limits. Tow what you feel comfortable with, using COMMON SENSE! Watch this video and see what I'm saying:

https://youtu.be/kwOqARlw1EI

cmcguire48 05-23-2017 09:29 PM

F150 towing
 
I have a 24ft TT 5300 dry weight. I tow with a 2016 F150 2.7 and I have no issues other than the all aluminum truck being so light. Remember you can tow a lot more than you can haul. Payload on ford trucks goes down considerably if you have all the bells and whistles. I can't argue with the fact a 250 would be so much better but my budget will not allow that. Saying all this to say a 6000 lb trailer would be pushing it.

Big Bear Local 06-02-2017 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by cmcguire48 (Post 3613284)
I have a 24ft TT 5300 dry weight. I tow with a 2016 F150 2.7 and I have no issues other than the all aluminum truck being so light. Remember you can tow a lot more than you can haul. Payload on ford trucks goes down considerably if you have all the bells and whistles. I can't argue with the fact a 250 would be so much better but my budget will not allow that. Saying all this to say a 6000 lb trailer would be pushing it.

My trailers tongue weight was 1100# with full propane and two GC batteries. Nothing else loaded. So I moved the batteries (112#) to the rear. With my Propride P3 WDH I moved 200# to the front axle and 200# to the trailer axles.
Essentially took 500# off the rear of the truck. Front wheel well within 1/2 inch from stock height. My trucks hitch is rated for 1100# with a WDH. Class IV.

I'm in the same boat you are as far as wanting a 3/4 ton.

Wireman1 06-02-2017 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by LA_RV_Guy (Post 3612913)
Things can go wrong with any RV and TV. Do the math work up and make sure you have plenty of cushion from your limits. Tow what you feel comfortable with, using COMMON SENSE! Watch this video and see what I'm saying:

https://youtu.be/kwOqARlw1EI


And that was a 1 ton dually. Only way to avoid that was not be on the road.

Xtrucker 06-13-2017 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Wireman1 (Post 3627837)
And that was a 1 ton dually. Only way to avoid that was not be on the road.

Wind, my friend. He should have known not to be pulling it on a day like that.

mlh071056 06-13-2017 10:16 AM

We have a 2016 Flagstaff Super Lite with great outdoor kitchen and doored bunk room with outside access through bike door. Bought a used 2012 Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins diesel before we pulled th camper off the sales lot. Best decision we ever made. Been up and down the Appalachians and Blue Ridge. Headed to Rockies in 2018!

mlh071056 06-13-2017 10:17 AM

Oh and we live in north Florida

MLiljen 06-13-2017 03:45 PM

We have the MPG 2800QB from Cruiser RV. It has a full bunkhouse with hinged door, not the accordian style. Outdoor kitchen. It has a stove top, a fridge, and a sink...no oven or microwave... :( we rough it.

Works good for the 5 of us. Mom, Dad and three 8 year olds.

The trailer has been good to us.

Mike

fagnaml 06-15-2017 01:01 PM

Tracer Executive Series or Air Ultra Light Weight TT
 
Before upgrading to a 40 foot diesel pusher motorhome I owned a 30 foot Tracer Executive Series ultra light weight travel trailer. It had an empty weight (UVW) of 6,100 lbs. When loaded (clothes, food, full fresh water tank) it weight ~6,600 lbs. and pulled easily behind my 2011 four door Silverado 4x4 which had a towing capacity of 11,000 lbs. especially after I added anti-sway bars.

I never towed at a speed over 65 mph which was the speed rating for the trailer's tires. On steep hills in the Texas Hill Country I would slow down to 55 mph to keep the Silverado from down-shifting too much.

Presuming your F-150 has a similar 11,000 lbs tow rating, I'd think an ultra light weight, 30 foot travel trailer similar to the Tracer Air 305Air model would be good choice (Tracer Air replaced the Tracer Executive Series).

Hope this helps!

cdoorider 06-16-2017 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LA_RV_Guy (Post 3612913)
Things can go wrong with any RV and TV. Do the math work up and make sure you have plenty of cushion from your limits. Tow what you feel comfortable with, using COMMON SENSE! Watch this video and see what I'm saying:

https://youtu.be/kwOqARlw1EI

Yep being pulled by a one ton dually, that's the problem should've got a half ton [emoji6]


Quote:

Originally Posted by mlh071056 (Post 3646174)
We have a 2016 Flagstaff Super Lite with great outdoor kitchen and doored bunk room with outside access through bike door. Bought a used 2012 Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins diesel before we pulled th camper off the sales lot. Best decision we ever made. Been up and down the Appalachians and Blue Ridge. Headed to Rockies in 2018!

Quote:

Originally Posted by dexters (Post 3511141)
You need to do some research on the payload of a F150 and the math of it with a travel trailer.

Here's a hint it isn't 2,000 lbs.


chris174 06-16-2017 04:35 AM

Got a jayco feather 25 bh that comes in just under 6000lbs and I pull it with a 08 ford f150 just fine

Yillbs 06-18-2017 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Matfam1 (Post 3491396)
I just bought a Cruiser RV SC-280QBS, seems to fit your request. Tows great with my 1500 Dodge.

I just purchased the same model and tow with the same truck and purchased it in march. It's a great trailer, 5600dry about 7200 wet can tow with a half ton no problem.

campnfool 06-19-2017 02:25 PM

54fun ... 2 cents from someone that actually towed a 31' TT with a ecoboost. Of course our eco is a heaver '13 HD model with Pyld Cap 2172. It was a challenge to pull that TT. TW was 1045 with total weight of 8600 lbs. Pulled it great when there was no wind what so ever or any semis in the neighborhood. Semis would suck us to them when they passed us. Towed it one year then DW decided we should downgrade, so we spent a year looking for the right rig & finally decided to go with a 5er (see sig). Best decision we ever made. Pin weight ready to travel 1340 and total weight of 8300 lbs. So far we have put over 15, 000 miles on the 5er. Wind, either front or from the side ...has no effect and we don't even notice when a semi passes us. Oh yeah, we do 80% of our towing in the Southern Rockies of Southern Colorado at altitude. And have made several trips down to the valley around Mesa Az. I can see where you could have some issues towing a 35 ft. TT with the lighter !50 but it's your decision.

Yillbs 06-22-2017 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by campnfool (Post 3656880)
54fun ... 2 cents from someone that actually towed a 31' TT with a ecoboost. Of course our eco is a heaver '13 HD model with Pyld Cap 2172. It was a challenge to pull that TT. TW was 1045 with total weight of 8600 lbs. Pulled it great when there was no wind what so ever or any semis in the neighborhood. Semis would suck us to them when they passed us. Towed it one year then DW decided we should downgrade, so we spent a year looking for the right rig & finally decided to go with a 5er (see sig). Best decision we ever made. Pin weight ready to travel 1340 and total weight of 8300 lbs. So far we have put over 15, 000 miles on the 5er. Wind, either front or from the side ...has no effect and we don't even notice when a semi passes us. Oh yeah, we do 80% of our towing in the Southern Rockies of Southern Colorado at altitude. And have made several trips down to the valley around Mesa Az. I can see where you could have some issues towing a 35 ft. TT with the lighter !50 but it's your decision.

you're talking about a trailer that weighs more than 1500 pounds, than what he'll be having. a 6k dry weight trailer should really only come out to weigh about 7k, maybe 7200 max. 8600 pounds versus 7000 is quite a difference. a 1/2 ton towing 7200 pounds is absolutely not unreasonable. Maybe with a Chevy, they still have that 5.3 powerplant no, sub 400 horsepower? I think people try to justify this argument by being mad they had to upgrade to a larger truck. Weight and size don't go hand in hand. a 19-foot 6k trailer is going to tow nothing, absolutely nothing like your 31 foot TT at 8600 pounds.

Randy the sly old fox 06-22-2017 05:53 PM

When it comes to the effect that semis have on you I agree that TT length will have more to do with handling issues than wt.

Most trucks tip the scales around 6000 lbs give or take a few 100 lbs if your TT weighs less than that then the dog wags the tail more and the tail wags the dog and some kind of sway control would be advised.

campnfool 06-23-2017 06:36 AM

Yillbs I agree that 54fun asked about a smaller TT at the start of his post but he also made this statement...
"I really want (and was originally planning to get a Jayco 32BHDS (7600 dry, 955 tongue weight) but the consensus seems to be that it is really pushing my 2016 3.5 Ecoboost F150 Max Tow too much (still open for opinions here as well) ".
He was open to opinions on the longer, heavier TT and our was in the neighborhood of that length & weight so I offered him my 2 cents on my experiences pulling one that size.
Yillbs, we'd still be towing it (wasn't love but it wasn't bad) but it was a booger to get into the Forrest Service campgrounds we like to frequent, so the reason to downsize, now we live up at those campgrounds in the summer. This 5er is so much easier to get into those sites, not to mention easier to tow.

Safe travels
Milo

54Fun 06-23-2017 07:13 AM

Thanks for all of the input guys. OP update -here is where we're at - we ended up buying another camper we loved a few weeks back (FR Vibe 308BHS) - 7200 dry, 36.5' length (bumper to tongue). I bought the ProPride hitch, wanting to take sway out of the equation, and it did just that - zero sway. The Ecoboost pulled the trailer through the mountains (NC/VA/GA) just fine- no problems there. Tow/Haul mode worked well with engine braking downhill. However, in our 1800 mile journey, I hit enough mild cross winds even, to know exactly what you guys are talking about. Yes, I realize that with the length of the trailer, we are just one big sail. I do believe the length (vs weight) is a huge consideration. The vacuum effect of 18 wheelers, and the lightness of the front end, coupled with the tongue weight on this light truck - none of that is enjoyable, and we had too many stressful driving moments where I didn't feel safe, and was keeping it around 60 - 4 hour drives seemed like 10 hours. I'm now in the market to upgrade to an F250/F350 Super Duty. I really do love this truck...but a 17 Super Duty will give me the confidence, safety and stability that I want. It will also give me headroom down the road to go to a 5th wheel or something else. Just got to find the deal I want now on a truck. Thanks again for everyone's input.

cdoorider 06-25-2017 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 54Fun (Post 3662864)
Thanks for all of the input guys. OP update -here is where we're at - we ended up buying another camper we loved a few weeks back (FR Vibe 308BHS) - 7200 dry, 36.5' length (bumper to tongue). I bought the ProPride hitch, wanting to take sway out of the equation, and it did just that - zero sway. The Ecoboost pulled the trailer through the mountains (NC/VA/GA) just fine- no problems there. Tow/Haul mode worked well with engine braking downhill. However, in our 1800 mile journey, I hit enough mild cross winds even, to know exactly what you guys are talking about. Yes, I realize that with the length of the trailer, we are just one big sail. I do believe the length (vs weight) is a huge consideration. The vacuum effect of 18 wheelers, and the lightness of the front end, coupled with the tongue weight on this light truck - none of that is enjoyable, and we had too many stressful driving moments where I didn't feel safe, and was keeping it around 60 - 4 hour drives seemed like 10 hours. I'm now in the market to upgrade to an F250/F350 Super Duty. I really do love this truck...but a 17 Super Duty will give me the confidence, safety and stability that I want. It will also give me headroom down the road to go to a 5th wheel or something else. Just got to find the deal I want now on a truck. Thanks again for everyone's input.

As for feeling like you have a large sail behind you that won't end with any pickup if you put a long and relatively light trailer behind you.

I have to chuckle at those that think the weight of A a 3/4 ton will hold them down in high winds. I saw a tractor trailer probably a 48 ft get blown over on I-10 in Ontario CA. I've also seen a Yellow freight have his rear box flipped by winds.

Whenever I was in what I thought were dangerous wind I'd find a place to park. I always tried to park so the wind wasn't hitting the side of the trailer. So if large Semi trailer's are like a big sail I would think any long TT will be also. As for the size and weight of your trailer, it does sound like a little much for any happy ton. As a general observation most newer half tons seem to be within specs at 7000 gross give or take a a couple hundred pounds.
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Originally Posted by Yillbs (Post 3662062)
you're talking about a trailer that weighs more than 1500 pounds, than what he'll be having. a 6k dry weight trailer should really only come out to weigh about 7k, maybe 7200 max. 8600 pounds versus 7000 is quite a difference. a 1/2 ton towing 7200 pounds is absolutely not unreasonable. Maybe with a Chevy, they still have that 5.3 powerplant no, sub 400 horsepower? I think people try to justify this argument by being mad they had to upgrade to a larger truck. Weight and size don't go hand in hand. a 19-foot 6k trailer is going to tow nothing, absolutely nothing like your 31 foot TT at 8600 pounds.


54Fun 06-26-2017 05:30 AM

I never said high or dangerous winds. Mild cross winds is what I mentioned. The difference between the two may be subjective, but I could definitely feel the lightness of the front end, and have no doubt that would go away with a heavier truck.

cdoorider 06-26-2017 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 54Fun (Post 3667877)
I never said high or dangerous winds. Mild cross winds is what I mentioned. The difference between the two may be subjective, but I could definitely feel the lightness of the front end, and have no doubt that would go away with a heavier truck.

Fair point, guess I didn't read the post carefully enough. After driving Semis where you always have the tail wagging the dog I guess I'm just used to it. If the half ton has the power and is within all specs I just don't think the extra weight of a 3/4 ton matters but admit this is subjective. I would say if I was pulling something as long as you have at that weight I would probably want a big diesel too. Enjoy the new Rig

Stroker548 06-27-2017 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by cdoorider (Post 3668436)
Fair point, guess I didn't read the post carefully enough. After driving Semis where you always have the tail wagging the dog I guess I'm just used to it. If the half ton has the power and is within all specs I just don't think the extra weight of a 3/4 ton matters but admit this is subjective. I would say if I was pulling something as long as you have at that weight I would probably want a big diesel too. Enjoy the new Rig

Not only will the weight of a 3/4 ton help, but litterally everything is beefier. Springs are stiffer, axles are stronger, frame is tougher and tires are less flexiable. It will be a huge differance. Enjoy it[emoji2]

LA_RV_Guy 06-28-2017 08:41 PM

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Something else that should be mentioned here: the RV manufacturers will do anything to get you to buy their products. That means building "ultralights" which can be towed by 1/2 tons or even SUVs and cars. Well, in order to do that, they cut weight in every way possible, including fewer screws, glue, thinner, and lighter material. Sometimes, this means you may expect to see issues pop up in just a few years of ownership. I'm not saying or implying that you shouldn't go this route (I did, too), but just don't be surprised you get quality issues come up. Here's my Forest River 282QBS with bunkhouse, outdoor kitchen, almost 35 feet long, and 5797 dry pounds.Attachment 166824

Randy the sly old fox 06-28-2017 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LA_RV_Guy (Post 3672823)
Something else that should be mentioned here: the RV manufacturers will do anything to get you to buy their products. That means building "ultralights" which can be towed by 1/2 tons or even SUVs and cars. Well, in order to do that, they cut weight in every way possible, including fewer screws, glue, thinner, and lighter material. Sometimes, this means you may expect to see issues pop up in just a few years of ownership. I'm not saying or implying that you shouldn't go this route (I did, too), but just don't be surprised you get quality issues come up. Here's my Forest River 282QBS with bunkhouse, outdoor kitchen, almost 35 feet long, and 5797 dry pounds.Attachment 166824

Another way to look at it is most of the standard fixtures = stoves, tanks, hot water heaters, refers, showers sinks etc all weigh about the same and all TTs have them so they become a constant between ultralights and regular TTs . So where the 35'TT above has a 5797 dry wt my 31' TT has a 7200 lb dry wt. where is the difference - frame, sidewalls, interior walls perhaps even interior framing.

Yes I have owned two lightweight TTs one from 1986 a wood framed Komfort that did last 12 yrs (with lots of TLC) It had alum skin and roof, wood frame - the floor was corrugated cardboard with metal rods for strength. It was 7' wide, 9'tall and 20' long and had a dry wt around 2000lbs and a GVWR of 3800 lbs. The inside framing had lots of small stick wood thin plywood - 1/4" at the most. The second was a 99 trail light It was a bit longer wider and taller than the Komfort but was about the same wt. It had a sandwich wall construction - Filon, Luan, Foam, Luan and had an alum frame that went around the outside of the wall - no studs, no blocking. Within the first year things started breaking - A small leak ruined the entire front end and required a total re-build of the front wall. It was hard to heat and was a pain from day one. I had to make it last at least 5 yrs (made it 6) before I could trade up to my Arctic Fox. - what a difference - now 12yrs later I have it's cousin an ORV TimberRidge - I am sure that with normal maintenance it will last at least 15yrs :cool:

cdoorider 07-01-2017 12:42 AM

Arctic fox and ORV are two of the best wishing could handle the weight. With my truck the best value for quality and weight seems to be Lance with Winnie being an acceptable compromise in both weight (a little heavy) and quality, its not an ORV or Northwood but they seem fairly well built.

Loraura 07-06-2017 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cdoorider (Post 3676261)
Arctic fox and ORV are two of the best wishing could handle the weight. With my truck the best value for quality and weight seems to be Lance with Winnie being an acceptable compromise in both weight (a little heavy) and quality, its not an ORV or Northwood but they seem fairly well built.



Those are both good quality choices.

09 harley 07-15-2017 03:26 PM

As my wife told me size matters. Since I couldn't make any personal changes I did the next best thing and bought a new 2017 F250 CCLB 4X4. I'm a lot happier now but my wife still says the same thing!

54Fun 07-15-2017 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 09 harley (Post 3700714)
As my wife told me size matters. Since I couldn't make any personal changes I did the next best thing and bought a new 2017 F250 CCLB 4X4. I'm a lot happier now but my wife still says the same thing!

Ha! Yep...did a similar thing after all of that. Just ordered a 2017 F350 6.7L CCSB 4X4...8 weeks or so till it gets here...will sell the F150.

marcham 07-15-2017 06:17 PM

Nice. Well worth the upgrade.

CipherFamily 07-16-2017 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by marcham (Post 3491382)
Trade your EB for a used 3/4 or 1 ton and then get the trailer you want.

Yes, I would second this. We've had an ultralight bunkhouse for 8 years, towing with a halfton suburban Z71. It had an 18 inch dinette area slide and four bunks, but no outdoor kitchen. It served us well, but we now have the bigger suburban and it's lovely how many more options we have for bunkhouse choices without stretching our towing limit. With a pickup, you'd be even better off. Hubby wanted to do a pickup instead of the 'burb, but I'm the primary driver and there are still 6 of us travelling together regularly. I can't stand someone crowded at my elbow while I'm driving! :p

I wanted to stay in the half-ton-towable range just to be super conservative with the weight, and couldn't find what you describe in any make/model. When I gave up that goal, we found what we like and I'll still be 2000 pounds under my maximum tow rating. More, really, because I never tow "wet", so we'll never have water in the holding tanks.

We're almost 100% decided on the Sport Trek 327. Both bedrooms have solid doors, no curtains, 4 complete bunks, with one folding into a couch and table seating area when the college boy isn't travelling with us. AND dinette that will make out into a bed when the girlfriend travels with us.

Half ton towing just isn't doesn't have the range of choices and options.

guy65 07-17-2017 06:40 AM

we had a similar problem- I have 30miles one way commute, but we knew, we need a trailer as big as possible, because we live full time in it for a while. 2 things, which does not fit together on first view.
Due to the daily commute, we decided on a half ton truck- a RAM 1500 Hemi. And my wife done the research. We found the perfect combination for our possibilities: A Forest River Vibe 268RKS. 35ft total length, 28ft living area complete, 1 big slide with 6500# dry weight and max weight of 9800# (but only if all the tanks are full - 2 grey, 1 black, 1 freshwater- tank). Very well towable with a 1500.
First we looked at floor plans- my wife thought about bunks because of the grandchildren. We found, this VIBE is even lighter with bunks! and absolutely towable with a half ton truck.
But because of the circumstances and needs, we decided on a 268rks with rear kitchen and residential refrigerator.
this camper has outside kitchen, heated underbelly, electric and gas hot water heater, 20ft awning, all LED, everything electric, including stabilizers and tongue jack, outside shower and outside TV hookup, even mag wheels. Perfect.
We pull with a 1200# equalizer hitch. easy to tow, no sway at all.
The best thing- the price- google and you will be surprised- it's a very well midgrade camper for a very affordable price. we love it.


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