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Frankp 10-03-2017 08:41 PM

Fleetwood southwind wont start
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I am new to this forum and new MY owner. I ha e a 1995 Fleetwood southwind storm. I just changed the engine I gliding the starter and alternator and batteries. My problem is that the starter will engage the fly wheel but not turn it. I changed starters and the same thing bbq happen. No when I take starter down it spins free. Please help. The only thong i have not pit back is little black box. This was located in cabinet next to the TV and clicked when I turned the key when I first got the t.v.. Please help thank you.

Sparksvonrou 10-03-2017 09:12 PM

You changed the engine?

Frankp 10-04-2017 10:29 AM

Yes I did. Had to. This was used when I got it and was in flood. Motor was locked up and bottom was full of water.

Rsponsford 10-04-2017 10:34 AM

Is the replacement engine new or used? Hope itís not locked up as well.

Sparksvonrou 10-04-2017 10:45 AM

Sounds locked up. Perhaps incorrect installation of the torque converter causing it to bind. Can you turn the engine over by hand either from the fan belts/pulleys or with a bar through the transmission inspection plate prying on the flywheel?

Sparksvonrou 10-04-2017 10:46 AM

Was it a rebuild or new or used motor?

Randalpho 10-04-2017 10:46 AM

Can you turn the engine over by hand (socket on the crank bolt)?

If not, remove the serpentine belt and see if it will turn over, could be a locked up idler pulley, P/S pump, alternator, water pump.

Waiter21 10-04-2017 01:15 PM

Question 1: Did you ever have the new motor running in the new vehicle?

Question 2: did you ever see this motor run in the original motorhome or on the test stand.

Question 3: Who did the swap, what is their experience.

Unplanned Tourist 10-04-2017 02:08 PM

Check the starter nose end for any marks to indicate it's hitting the ring gear. Maybe even try it with the bolts loose just a turn or 2. Also, look at the ring gear itself for signs of housing hitting it.
What engine is it? Ford or Chevy?
Happy Glamping.

Frankp 10-04-2017 08:16 PM

The engine is used and I had it rebuilt I can turn it by hand

Frankp 10-04-2017 08:20 PM

I'm able to turn the motor I can spend a flywheel with a flywheel Turner

Frankp 10-04-2017 08:23 PM

I can turn the motor and the flywheel turns with a flywheel Turner. The starter spins free when I take it out and put power to it. I think it has something to do with the little black box in the pictures I posted but I am not sure

Frankp 10-04-2017 08:23 PM

It's a Chevy 454. The starter is engaging the flywheel for once the starter engage the flywheel it will not return retract back in.

Frankp 10-04-2017 08:25 PM

Never saw the engine run a local mechanic did it

Frankp 10-04-2017 08:26 PM

Used and then rebuilt

Rsponsford 10-04-2017 11:16 PM

Are you sure the battery is fully charged, or at least enough for a start?

Frankp 10-04-2017 11:26 PM

Brand new

Rsponsford 10-05-2017 12:16 AM


Originally Posted by Frankp (Post 3836325)
Brand new

I would still test the battery voltage to be sure. More than once have I purchased a new battery that was weak from sitting too long on the shelf. May not be the problem here but would be good to be sure. You should see around 12.7 volts without a load if itís charged.

Frankp 10-05-2017 04:52 AM

Will try that thanx

Waiter21 10-05-2017 05:02 AM

Are the starter gears mechanically binding against the flywheel?

Is it the correct flywheel gear to match the starter.

Didn't some GMs starters had shims?

Frankp 10-20-2017 01:10 PM

, I've done everything that everybody has suggested realigning transmission torque converter had the batteries load tested had the starter load tested I am now on my 4th starter this one is closer to the original size. Now when we hook everything up and we turn the key we get a clicking sound like it's a weak battery. I tried jumping it I tried plugging it in and hooking it up to the battery charger with a starter boost in the same results of clicking like it's a weak battery. Please help frustration is mounting thank you

Waiter21 10-20-2017 01:15 PM

Use a set of jumper cables and jump straight from the battery to the starter, Both the plus and the minus... Connect minus battery first, then connect the other end to one of the starter mount bolts

Then connect the plus on the starter, then the other end on the battery plus.

Podivin 10-20-2017 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by Waiter21 (Post 3860425)
Use a set of jumper cables and jump straight from the battery to the starter, Both the plus and the minus... Connect minus battery first, then connect the other end to one of the starter mount bolts

Then connect the plus on the starter, then the other end on the battery plus.

I presume this is to bypass all of the existing wiring to see if that's the problem.
Should the OP turn the key to 'on' before doing this test?
If the starter's going to spin might as well let the beastie go ahead and start if it wants to. :)

Waiter21 10-20-2017 02:17 PM

^^ Exactly...

The problem he's experiencing, the starter will not turn the engine.

Engine turns fine by hand.

Unplanned Tourist 10-20-2017 05:17 PM

Can you make a mark on a tooth on the flexplate, then count the teeth as you slowly turn the engine over? Then count the teeth on the old flexplate. Could be you have a different one.
It sounds like there is a mechanical problem of some sort, and the parts are not matching up.
You say the battery voltage is up, and the cables are all good, so maybe test the voltage at the starter when you try to crank it over. Could be something as simple as a bad cable, not giving enough voltage when under load.
Happy Glamping.

ga traveler 10-20-2017 05:33 PM

Back during this period of time, when you ordered a starter for a 454, It came with metal spacers. It sounds like you need to increase the space between the starter and the flywheel. If there is not enough space it will bind the starter and not let it turn. These spacers are still available from all the major auto parts dealers.

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