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jrms88 03-30-2018 09:19 AM

Ford F350 6.7 SRW trucks towing 38ft fifth wheels
 
hello

i'm just wondering how many of you tow with ford f350 srw trucks?
how does your truck handle towing that big of a fifth wheel?? are you guys full time rving or just the weekend get a ways.

if at possible please post any pictures that you can share of your set up's of you TV & 5W.


2016 ford f350 srw cc 6.7 short box
fifth wheel : still looking

thanks

mrgrayaz 03-30-2018 10:47 AM

Length is largely irrelevant. Our 30' 5th wheel has a higher or equal GVWR rating to many 36-38' units. There are some surprisingly light ones out there.

The question is available payload on your truck that will determine what weight you can pull, which will then determine the unit you buy :). What does your payload sticker on the truck say?

aknavy 03-30-2018 11:42 AM

I've towed up to 20k (scale weight) with my 6.7 F350, no issues. Yes, overloaded, and I wouldn't make a habit of it, but it will tow and stop it. I routinely tow 16k, and have had it to Alaska and back, across multiple mountains, with no issues whatsoever.

Old-Biscuit 03-30-2018 12:13 PM

What is the GVWR of YOUR truck?
What is thee GCVWR of YOUR truck?
What are the F/R Axle Ratings of YOUR truck?
What are the Rear Tires MAX Load Rating of YOUR truck?
What does YOUR truck weigh loaded up 'camp ready' ?

Answer those questions and YOU will have a better understanding of what weight you have and how much capacity you have in regards to tow weights, pin weights etc.

Start with real numbers vs mfg published numbers
Start with a trip to CAT Scales (you/full fuel/ALL passengers/stuff in cab/stuff in bed)

Urban350 03-30-2018 12:15 PM

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5th Wheel behind my 2012, 2015, and 2017 F350 SRW. I have had no problems so far. But yes I should have a DRW lol...

jrms88 03-30-2018 02:17 PM

my payload stickers says 3406

jrms88 03-30-2018 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old-Biscuit (Post 4111610)
What is the GVWR of YOUR truck?
What is thee GCVWR of YOUR truck?
What are the F/R Axle Ratings of YOUR truck?
What are the Rear Tires MAX Load Rating of YOUR truck?
What does YOUR truck weigh loaded up 'camp ready' ?

Answer those questions and YOU will have a better understanding of what weight you have and how much capacity you have in regards to tow weights, pin weights etc.

Start with real numbers vs mfg published numbers
Start with a trip to CAT Scales (you/full fuel/ALL passengers/stuff in cab/stuff in bed)

my trucks weighs 8300 load ready to camping when i pull my TT.

combined WT for my truck is 23500
FA is 6K
RA is 7K
tires rated at 3400 and some change
my truck gvw is 11500
payload is 3406

F5 that we are looking at range between 12500-13200 unloaded, and gross is 15100-16200
pin WT is in between 1910-2450

jrms88 03-30-2018 02:26 PM

nice set up

keymastr 03-30-2018 02:37 PM

You should be OK. 16K seems to be the point that most would want a duelly even if you have capacity left over. If you plan on month long trips or full timing then a duelly would be the right choice.

Grzly03 03-30-2018 03:28 PM

We have nearly the same setup. 2017 Montana 3730FL, 39' 8", GVWR 16,670, loaded weight about 15,000. Our F350 with Andersen Ultimate hitch does great. No sway, other than what winds make, tows wonderfully. I read all these discussions about whether or not DRW is needed. My take is "NO." There may be conditions where I would think a DRW would be beneficial, but I just don't go there. SRW does fine with me. Andersen Ultimate hitch, also. Light weight, easy for one person to get in and out. I get about 10.2 MPG if not too hilly. If pretty level, up to 11.0 MPG.

archer75 03-30-2018 03:36 PM

Well your payload is 3406. The pin weight of your loaded trailer with the gross weight your provided at 20% would be 3020lbs - 3240lbs. And you still have to deduct driver, passenger, hitch and cargo weight.

I would consider a dually for that.

Grzly03 03-30-2018 03:41 PM

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Pix of Our Rig.

Grzly03 03-30-2018 04:00 PM

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And the Andersen Hitch in F350 short bed.

jrms88 03-30-2018 04:12 PM

that is a nice set you have there buddy, we are looking at the 2018 Montana 3560rl and also 2018 Columbus 366rl.

how is the Andersen hitch working for you?? i'm, looking to buy that as well. i have no reason to buy a 5W hitch and add 150-250lbs to my truck. when i can add 37 lbs and pick it up move it when i want too.

Old-Biscuit 03-30-2018 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrms88 (Post 4111810)
my trucks weighs 8300 load ready to camping when i pull my TT.

combined WT for my truck is 23500
FA is 6K
RA is 7K
tires rated at 3400 and some change
my truck gvw is 11500
payload is 3406

F5 that we are looking at range between 12500-13200 unloaded, and gross is 15100-16200
pin WT is in between 1910-2450


7K RAWR........
So how much weight is being carried by rear axle when truck is loaded up and weighing 8300#?

Rear tires...3400# and some change
They should be higher rating then axle otherwise THEY are your limiting factor for weight carrying :eek:


5vr pin weights....
1910-2450 are DRY weights. Nowhere close to what actual WET pin weights will be (based on the DRY trailer weights)

15000 with 20% ratio would have a wet pin of 3000#

So how much weight can you add to loaded up trucks Rear Axle/Tires before MAXng out/overloading??????


I have a 2007 3500 SRW...tow a 14K 5th wheel with a wet pin of 3090#
Right at RAWR (6200#) and under Rear Tires (3195/each--6390)


:)

Alan_Barb 03-31-2018 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old-Biscuit (Post 4112461)
7K RAWR........
So how much weight is being carried by rear axle when truck is loaded up and weighing 8300#?

Rear tires...3400# and some change
They should be higher rating then axle otherwise THEY are your limiting factor for weight carrying :eek:


5vr pin weights....
1910-2450 are DRY weights. Nowhere close to what actual WET pin weights will be (based on the DRY trailer weights)

15000 with 20% ratio would have a wet pin of 3000#

So how much weight can you add to loaded up trucks Rear Axle/Tires before MAXng out/overloading??????


I have a 2007 3500 SRW...tow a 14K 5th wheel with a wet pin of 3090#
Right at RAWR (6200#) and under Rear Tires (3195/each--6390)


:)



We decided that we wanted to stay with a SRW truck. So we went with the largest fifth wheel we could for that, a 39í with a 16,000 GVWR. So far so good.

IC2 03-31-2018 07:35 AM

As usual, the weight police have spoken.

You will NOT have any problem with a 38 foot and in the 12-13,000 pound range, especially if you have the camper AND 5th wheel packages and a long bed which includes overload spring leafs and a sway bar. Your truck's 'B' door post will give you the legal rating for pin load

xrated 03-31-2018 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IC2 (Post 4112771)
As usual, the weight police have spoken.

You will NOT have any problem with a 38 foot and in the 12-13,000 pound range, especially if you have the camper AND 5th wheel packages and a long bed which includes overload spring leafs and a sway bar. Your truck's 'B' door post will give you the legal rating for pin load

And.....as usual, the "weight police" have tried to explain the numbers and provide a scenario that will allow the O.P. to make a decision that will allow him to tow safely and within the posted capacities of the truck that he has. Seriously....what is wrong with giving accurate and factual information based on given load capacities that are supplied by a manufacturer?

dayle1 03-31-2018 08:04 AM

OP says 8300 lbs for the truck, loaded. If that includes family and everything, then with 11.5k GVWR, then just 3200 lbs is left for hitch and pin weight. But more critical is not exceeding the tire rating.

archer75 03-31-2018 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dayle1 (Post 4112815)
OP says 8300 lbs for the truck, loaded. If that includes family and everything, then with 11.5k GVWR, then just 3200 lbs is left for hitch and pin weight. But more critical is not exceeding the tire rating.



And people and cargo also must be factored in. In addition to hitch and pin weight.

xrated 03-31-2018 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dayle1 (Post 4112815)
OP says 8300 lbs for the truck, loaded. If that includes family and everything, then with 11.5k GVWR, then just 3200 lbs is left for hitch and pin weight. But more critical is not exceeding the tire rating.

I noticed that too.....something doesn't seem right with the numbers. The late model trucks don't even include the driver's weight as they did in previous years (150 lbs average....which was a joke to start with). So whatever the actual payload is, as posted on the driver side yellow/white sticker, any of the weights like driver's weight, passenger weight, tools, cargo, 5ver hitch, etc....anything and everything that goes in or on the truck, must be deducted from that sticker number.....which will of course give you the real world amount of available payload for the trailer pin weight.

jrms88 03-31-2018 10:27 AM

yeah the police, it’s all good they have a right to speak too��. but yeah i have the camper package with overload.

jrms88 03-31-2018 10:37 AM

i like all your guys comments, iím new at all this weight number stuff so bare with me please. at the end of the day im all about safety when it comes to towing and family and the other folks on the road, and i watch out for the crazy people that tow and trust me thier out there. from your guys comments i trust you on the road beside me.
we are still looking for the right fit for my truck when it comes to the 5w.

thanks lets keep the conversation going and iíll update you guys on what we buy

2016 ford f350 cc 6.7
5w:still looking

CWSWine 03-31-2018 10:44 AM

I had a 2015 Ford SRW Diesel with 3744 on the yellow tag payload.

Our 40 foot Montana 3711 Front Living Room loaded for 30 day trip on the CAT scale the truck weighed in at 11,320 with Trucks GVWR of 11,500 with a dry pin weight of 2700 pounds.

Our 34 foot Grand Design Solitude 310GK loaded for 30 day trip on the CAT scale weight in at 12,300 with Trucks GVWR of 11,500 with a dry pin weight of 2250.

So the 40 foot Montana was 180 pounds below the GVWR of the truck and the Solitude was 800 pounds over and within 300 pounds of my axle weights. I still want to add a washer and dryer and generator which would have put me over the axle weights.

You can judge a 5er weight by length - the CAT scales is the only way you know for sure.

Oldelevatorman 04-01-2018 12:54 AM

Pin weight numbers are way off, probably dry weights. Figure at least 20% minimum for pin weight. Mine's 22%!

MorganT69 04-01-2018 06:35 AM

Go with the Reese Goosebox, adds no weight to the truck at all and is warrantied by Lippert not to damage your frame. I love mine and the air ride is wonderful. https://www.reeseprod.com/products/pi...notJoVbxIFMqvl

stanleyz 04-01-2018 09:01 PM

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You must be new. Never never ever start a "weight" thread. The responses will make you numb and you won't know much more when you finish than when you started. I've been towing stuff since 1958. Just use good common sense and do whatever you feel like. If you're not commercial no body cares what your stuff weighs. Now if the bumper is dragging and the lights are pointing up in the trees you might get stopped for unsafe vehicle but no one cares what you tow. Comon out and join us the camping is great. BTW there is very little difference between an F250 and F350, very little. The truck in the picture is an F250 short bed. Drove this combo for a year, no poblem.

dwknox3 04-02-2018 05:35 PM

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We have a 2016 Ford F350 SRW w/6.7 Powerstoke w/3.55 rear end, 2016 Primetime Sanibel 3601, is 40 ft. We gross wt. truck, trailer lp tanks full, fresh water full 23,000 lbs, our hitch wt. Is 2850 lbs. We've been coast to coast with, haven't found any place wouldn't go, also love the engine brake.Attachment 197627

jrms88 04-03-2018 04:38 PM

dwknox3 do you have washer and dryer in you fifth wheel??

thanks

dwknox3 04-03-2018 04:50 PM

We do have a Splindide vented w/d comb, we went with it because it had good reviews & only 140 lbs. The stack w/d at 250 lbs. We are retired, we are out about 3 months each year, this unit works good for us

jlb27537 04-05-2018 12:31 PM

Hello. Good weight police thread. As said earlier, weigh your truck. Get actual weights. Pin weights, when calculating, use 25% of the trailers GVWR to give you a bit of a margin. My small 3150RL Montana has, between 3200-3400lbs pin weight. The trailer GVWR is 14,500lbs. That is 23.4% actual pin weight.

Yes, you will probably never be stopped and weighed. But, even in a no fault accident, I would want all my numbers to be on the right side of legal.

When shopping for a 5th, stand back and see where the wheels are. How far back are the wheels from the pin? Some models are putting the wheels closer to the front, to decrease pin weight, so the husband can make the wife happy and not buy a DRW truck.

Me, I am on my 4th DRW truck.

jrms88 04-05-2018 06:01 PM

nice, i have looked at them( dually) online and in person. i need to test drive one, but like people say it’s my daily driver(srw) and thats where im at as well. im on my 4th truck in 4yrs not sure if the wife would be happy to go to number 5 lol

C.B. 04-07-2018 09:38 AM

towing with F-2350 SWR
 
2004 F-350////40' Cedar Creek////6' Little Creeker

C.B.


https://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL992.../412615161.jpg

mobilemike 04-07-2018 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C.B. (Post 4124714)
2004 F-350////40' Cedar Creek////6' Little Creeker

C.B.


https://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL992.../412615161.jpg

That little pup is so cute.
What are the weights on that 40'

jrms88 04-07-2018 06:13 PM

so we have decided on a 5w, here are the number
pin wt 1912
dry wr 12k
gross 15k
5w axel is 7k

my truck
gvw:11500
frnt axel 6k
rear axel 7k
payload 3406
combined wt 23500
max tire rating 3640x2 at 80 psi
please give me your thoughts on these numbers for my truck
2016 ford f350 6.7 crew cab

thanks

dwknox3 04-07-2018 06:18 PM

At those numbers you'll do great, I always run my tires at max to be safe

archer75 04-07-2018 07:02 PM

Pin weight is empty. Loaded up its possible to put you over the limit. All depends on how much weight is in the 5th wheel and truck.

If the 5th wheel is loaded to max weight plus your weights in the truck you would indeed be over the trucks limit.

jrms88 04-07-2018 07:25 PM

i don’t plan to load the 5w to max, maybe at the most the 5w will be around 13500 ish loaded if that. i don’t travel with water in the tank. with are clothes and washer and dryer , probably a combo instead of a stackable to save on WT and having stuff if the front cargo plus hitch set up, i should have at least 400-500lbs of pin WT to spare, thats if i can keep my wife from packing all her crap lol

archer75 04-07-2018 07:40 PM

That's 2700lbs at 20%. More obviously if it's over 20%. Won't know till it's loaded. Minus everyone's weights in the truck and gear and the hitch. Looks to be close.

dwknox3 04-07-2018 08:03 PM

You'll find your hitch wt doesn't change very much, most newer 5th wheels are set up to have most of at on trailer axle, the appliance & tanks are in center of trailer so your at doesn't change much, I usually keep our bottles of water & heaver stuff towards back of basement. As for your fresh water tank, at 8 lbs a gallon you don't add that much, our is 54 gallon, so about 420 lbs, we usually keep it full & dump out waste tanks daily

mrgrayaz 04-07-2018 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrms88 (Post 4125633)
i don’t plan to load the 5w to max, maybe at the most the 5w will be around 13500 ish loaded if that. i don’t travel with water in the tank. with are clothes and washer and dryer , probably a combo instead of a stackable to save on WT and having stuff if the front cargo plus hitch set up, i should have at least 400-500lbs of pin WT to spare, thats if i can keep my wife from packing all her crap lol

So many people say "Oh I wont load it up" What you don't realize is...it doesn't take much to load it up. We are probably a little over GVWR on our trailer, and we have plenty of cabinet space left that's underutilized. and our trailer has a roughly 3200lbs of Cargo Carrying Capacity (CCC). Some of them out there have as little as 1800lbs CCC.

That said, 15k GVWR? Plan on 3000lbs of pin weight. Sounds like it'll work to me.

AtomicRT 04-08-2018 07:00 AM

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Don't waste time figuring out capacity. They towed the 300,000 lb. space shuttle with a 1/2 ton Toyota. A puny 5th wheel? No problem! :cool:

NevadaNick 04-08-2018 07:37 AM

For those that are intent on the stickered rating , maybe you can explain this ? My 2018 GMC has a door sticker payload of 19?? Lbs but in the glovebox there is a cargo capacity sticker that is approx 300 lbs higher. For the record i only go by tire ratings. Weighed the truck and its 3300 on the rear 4890 on the front. Thats what i will base my loading from.

C.B. 04-12-2018 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobilemike (Post 4124833)
That little pup is so cute.
What are the weights on that 40'

Last I weighed the 36CKTS it was around 13,000.
Never weighed the "Little Creeker".

C.B.

archer75 04-12-2018 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NevadaNick (Post 4126214)
For those that are intent on the stickered rating , maybe you can explain this ? My 2018 GMC has a door sticker payload of 19?? Lbs but in the glovebox there is a cargo capacity sticker that is approx 300 lbs higher. For the record i only go by tire ratings. Weighed the truck and its 3300 on the rear 4890 on the front. Thats what i will base my loading from.

The door sticker factors in the options and trim you have. What you have in the glove box is likely the generic number from the brochure. Base model with no options.

Oldelevatorman 04-13-2018 10:13 PM

ford f350 6.7 srw trucks towing 38ft fifth wheels
 
If you're 5er is 16200, 20% or more pin weight and you're overloaded and you still have to add the hitch and everything in the truck. You don't want a dually or you're just going to buy an SRW no matter what any body says. My dually is my daily driver but I'm towing 18k and still have payload left over for safety.

dropnaduece 04-23-2018 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by aknavy (Post 4111556)
I've towed up to 20k (scale weight) with my 6.7 F350, no issues. Yes, overloaded, and I wouldn't make a habit of it, but it will tow and stop it. I routinely tow 16k, and have had it to Alaska and back, across multiple mountains, with no issues whatsoever.

Hello not to hi-jack this thread but I see in the picture of your set up a mini trailer of some sort on the back of your fifth wheel. May I ask what is it? Was this home made or a purchase?

Thanks!

aknavy 04-23-2018 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dropnaduece (Post 4154164)
Hello not to hi-jack this thread but I see in the picture of your set up a mini trailer of some sort on the back of your fifth wheel. May I ask what is it? Was this home made or a purchase?

Thanks!

It's a Swivel Wheel trailer, by Fastmaster. It's actually for sale now, as I've upgraded to a bigger one. Great for grills, bikes, or other outdoor gear. The rigid mount to the fifth wheel allows easy backing up.


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