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aknavy 12-20-2019 09:51 AM

Executive Fifth Wheel Hitch
 
Any try one of these?


https://genyhitch.com/product/execut...68VFQ81VuTjjuc


The Trailer Saver is good, but I miss my Goosebox. This one meets my trailer weight and pin weight specs, so it's an option. Would like to hear about it before spending the cash.

CecilD 12-20-2019 11:02 AM

Interesting concept. I have two areas of concern. Since the preload is not adjustable like an air hitch, your ride will vary. This would be especially true with your toy hauler as your pin weights will vary with garage loading. Secondly, I would want to ensure that you have sufficient pin weight with the garage full to depress the unit enough so that the links slope upward. If the links still slope downward (as in the unloaded position), the device will push the truck forward when hitting a bump and exacerbate chucking forces. It should help with chucking with an upward slope.

I would experiment with your BD5 first with the garage loaded as far as air pressure. I find with my TS3 that a minimal difference in air pressure makes a large difference in ride softness.

Clomok 12-21-2019 08:03 PM

Iíd call and confirm with LCI/Lippert if your still under warranty to confirm this hitch wonít void a fame warranty. That being said, I think Iíd go air ride, like has Been said thereís no adjustable prelude on the hitch for ride quality.

Scoobert 12-21-2019 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Clomok (Post 5082652)
Iíd call and confirm with LCI/Lippert if your still under warranty to confirm this hitch wonít void a fame warranty. That being said, I think Iíd go air ride, like has Been said thereís no adjustable prelude on the hitch for ride quality.

Of course it will void the warranty.
LCI is Exclusive Supplier of the goosebox and that is one of the main reasons any other gooseneck system will void the warranty. Not because it hurts the frame but because it increases their sales plus at the same time gives them an out to void a repair bill to the end user.

imjustdave 12-22-2019 01:59 PM

Lack of user adjustability on that torsion spring is a big q for me. Goose box air bag seems better and I amassing patented.

I do like the idea of riding the hitch in bed

Tdave 12-22-2019 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobert (Post 5082739)
Of course it will void the warranty.
LCI is Exclusive Supplier of the goosebox and that is one of the main reasons any other gooseneck system will void the warranty. Not because it hurts the frame but because it increases their sales plus at the same time gives them an out to void a repair bill to the end user.

Not sure that is true. Reese is owned by a different portfolio company, and you can buy a Goose Box through many different distribution channels.

Iíve never found a link between Goose Box and Lippert besides being endorsed. I was a skeptic, too.

Tdave 12-22-2019 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by aknavy (Post 5080989)
Any try one of these?


https://genyhitch.com/product/execut...68VFQ81VuTjjuc


The Trailer Saver is good, but I miss my Goosebox. This one meets my trailer weight and pin weight specs, so it's an option. Would like to hear about it before spending the cash.

As a Goose Box owner, I feel your pain. Glad my pin weight allows me to keep using mine, I love it.

Compared to the Goose Box design, what would concern me about this design is it’s limited “over ball” pivot action. The GenY movable links allow up and down action, but not so much forward/aft as the Goose Box does. The pivot point on the Goose Box is in front of the ball, which allows more of an arc motion vs the GenY. I could see that as a reason why it wouldn’t be Lippert frame approved.

Arc motion is more realistic to the behavior of the trailer vs the tow vehicle, the trailer doesn’t just move up and down, it is essentially anchored at the hitch point so the rear moves up and down more than the front, so you want the front to be able to follow an arc motion to relieve energy at the limit.

Scoobert 12-22-2019 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tdave (Post 5083799)
Not sure that is true. Reese is owned by a different portfolio company, and you can buy a Goose Box through many different distribution channels.

Iíve never found a link between Goose Box and Lippert besides being endorsed. I was a skeptic, too.


https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/lippert-components-designated-exclusive-supplier-of-reese-goose-box-pin-box-by-cequent-performance-products-127893378.html


https://ih.advfn.com/stock-market/NYSE/lci-industries-LCII/stock-news/48854599/lippert-components-designated-exclusive-supplier-o

Tdave 12-22-2019 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobert (Post 5083873)
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/lippert-components-designated-exclusive-supplier-of-reese-goose-box-pin-box-by-cequent-performance-products-127893378.html


https://ih.advfn.com/stock-market/NY...ive-supplier-o

2011? I had no idea the Goose Box is that old. It took another 5 years until people started using it relatively mainstream, and I still donít know of any OEM that supplies it stock with their rigs, regardless if Lippert makes their frames.

Again, two separate companies, and you can buy the Goose Box through a bunch of different retailers.

Iím not naive to conspiracies, but Iím not seeing one here.

Lippert could have just as easily limited warranty coverage to only their own pin boxes, and blocked a competitor altogether.

I have to assume they saw the design superiority of this product and were willing to sign off on the warranty compliance to offer a true gooseneck solution to customers, instead of the damaging adapters people were using.

And in exchange they negotiated exclusive distribution.

They could have done that with other gooseneck adapters out there, but didnít.

Who is to say they wonít with other designs that meet their design criteria. If it were just about cutting out the competition, they could have done that by blacklisting Reese. There must be something about the inherent design that they like.

Why endorse a competing product that knowingly damages your own? That seems like a very short term goal.

Scoobert 12-22-2019 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tdave (Post 5083913)
Again, two separate companies, and you can buy the Goose Box through a bunch of different retailers.

Does not matter who you buy it from. As an exclusive supplier all sales originate from LCI and they are going to get paid for each one not matter who sells it.

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Originally Posted by Tdave (Post 5083913)
Lippert could have just as easily limited warranty coverage to only their own pin boxes, and blocked a competitor altogether.

That is excactly what they have done. Name another gooseneck hitch that will not void the warranty.

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Originally Posted by Tdave (Post 5083913)
There must be something about the inherent design that they like.

There is nothing wrong with the design or the hitch. If they made one that fit my 5er I would have one on it.

What it has done is give them the perfect out of a warranty claim. Looks like you used a hitch that violates our warranty (whether you did or not doesn't matter), warranty claim denied. While at the same time giving them exclusive segment of the market with the simple statement "any gooseneck hitch (other then ours) will void your warranty.

Tdave 12-22-2019 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobert (Post 5083936)
Does not matter who you buy it from. As an exclusive supplier all sales originate from LCI and they are going to get paid for each one not matter who sells it.


That is excactly what they have done. Name another gooseneck hitch that will not void the warranty.



There is nothing wrong with the design or the hitch. If they made one that fit my 5er I would have one on it.

What it has done is give them the perfect out of a warranty claim. Looks like you used a hitch that violates our warranty (whether you did or not doesn't matter), warranty claim denied. While at the same time giving them exclusive segment of the market with the simple statement "any gooseneck hitch (other then ours) will void your warranty.

Again, why choose the Goose Box to do this with? If their intent was to deny warranties by arbitrarily picking a goose neck design that they secured rights to, they had plenty of others to do this with, long before the Goose Box came out.

Itís not like the Goose Box was the first gooseneck adapter.

I choose to see this as them seeing a sound design and leveraging their place in the market to secure an exclusive.

My take is less nefarious than yours.

In fact, if you correspond with them, which I have, they donít say that other designs will void your warranty, they just say that if there is a problem with your frame using other designs, you will not receive warranty help. There is a distinction.

Scoobert 12-23-2019 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Tdave (Post 5083984)
Again, why choose the Goose Box to do this with? If their intent was to deny warranties by arbitrarily picking a goose neck design that they secured rights to, they had plenty of others to do this with, long before the Goose Box came out.

Itís not like the Goose Box was the first gooseneck adapter.

I choose to see this as them seeing a sound design and leveraging their place in the market to secure an exclusive.

My take is less nefarious than yours.

In fact, if you correspond with them, which I have, they donít say that other designs will void your warranty, they just say that if there is a problem with your frame using other designs, you will not receive warranty help. There is a distinction.

Whatever, deny all you want. I have seen it in action.

aknavy 12-23-2019 10:40 PM

Well, as most threads do, this one has taken on a life of it's own. Still playing around with the BD5 to get a decent ride. I'm going to add a wireless air compressor so I can change it on the fly and see what pressures ride the best.


I'm skeptical of the subject hitch, as I have not seen one or heard any direct experience. Guess I'll wait on that. I hadn't really thought it thru, and I do agree that the lack of adjustment is a potential issue. Will keep on using what I have.


As far as the Goosebox and Lippert - one way or another, they are in bed with each other. I wish they'd just make it standard equipment on the units that it's rated for, as it provides a superior ride, and I have yet to see someone using it drop a fiver on their truck - something I'm deathly afraid of with the traditional hitch! Getting the bed of your truck back is a serious bonus!

Scoobert 12-24-2019 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by aknavy (Post 5085042)
Well, as most threads do, this one has taken on a life of it's own. Still playing around with the BD5 to get a decent ride. I'm going to add a wireless air compressor so I can change it on the fly and see what pressures ride the best.


I'm skeptical of the subject hitch, as I have not seen one or heard any direct experience. Guess I'll wait on that. I hadn't really thought it thru, and I do agree that the lack of adjustment is a potential issue. Will keep on using what I have.


As far as the Goosebox and Lippert - one way or another, they are in bed with each other. I wish they'd just make it standard equipment on the units that it's rated for, as it provides a superior ride, and I have yet to see someone using it drop a fiver on their truck - something I'm deathly afraid of with the traditional hitch! Getting the bed of your truck back is a serious bonus!

Agree with all your thoughts and still with i could put a goosebox on my 5er. It would save me money over going with the bd3/ bd5

JDT 12-24-2019 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by aknavy (Post 5085042)
Well, as most threads do, this one has taken on a life of it's own. Still playing around with the BD5 to get a decent ride. I'm going to add a wireless air compressor so I can change it on the fly and see what pressures ride the best.


I'm skeptical of the subject hitch, as I have not seen one or heard any direct experience. Guess I'll wait on that. I hadn't really thought it thru, and I do agree that the lack of adjustment is a potential issue. Will keep on using what I have.


As far as the Goosebox and Lippert - one way or another, they are in bed with each other. I wish they'd just make it standard equipment on the units that it's rated for, as it provides a superior ride, and I have yet to see someone using it drop a fiver on their truck - something I'm deathly afraid of with the traditional hitch! Getting the bed of your truck back is a serious bonus!

I use an Airlift Wireless One with my BD3. Works well. It's nice to be able to adjust it on the fly, although I rarely do. 65 psi is the sweet spot for mine.

CecilD 12-24-2019 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by aknavy (Post 5085042)
Well, as most threads do, this one has taken on a life of it's own. Still playing around with the BD5 to get a decent ride. I'm going to add a wireless air compressor so I can change it on the fly and see what pressures ride the best.


I'm skeptical of the subject hitch, as I have not seen one or heard any direct experience. Guess I'll wait on that. I hadn't really thought it thru, and I do agree that the lack of adjustment is a potential issue. Will keep on using what I have.


As far as the Goosebox and Lippert - one way or another, they are in bed with each other. I wish they'd just make it standard equipment on the units that it's rated for, as it provides a superior ride, and I have yet to see someone using it drop a fiver on their truck - something I'm deathly afraid of with the traditional hitch! Getting the bed of your truck back is a serious bonus!

Here is a wild thought. You might try to disconnect two of the shocks. Could be the compliance may be stiff because they are new (or maybe cold). Should be easy to do as they are just clipped on. If that helps the ride it would seem logical that they would wear in over time.

Or, you could disconnect all four shocks to verify the head carriage rides smoothly on the uprights. It might need adjusting or you got a bad hitch. Good luck.

NW Explorers 12-27-2019 02:32 PM

The Gen-Y pin box looks interesting - especially at half the price of a Trailer Saver. Here's another option that might be worth a look:

https://www.comfortridehitch.com/

cwall59 01-08-2020 09:45 PM

Iím also interested in this hitch . I have a New Horizon on order. I have asked NH about Trailer Saver and Comfort Ride and was told to hold off they were testing a Gen-Y hitch on their trip to the Tampa RV show . They seem to think it will handle most of their builds . Iím waiting on the road test they are doing to decide. I really like the idea of the gooseneck version and freeing up bed space. They said any of their frames are built to handle the gooseneck with no problems.

aknavy 01-09-2020 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cwall59 (Post 5103565)
Iím also interested in this hitch . I have a New Horizon on order. I have asked NH about Trailer Saver and Comfort Ride and was told to hold off they were testing a Gen-Y hitch on their trip to the Tampa RV show . They seem to think it will handle most of their builds . Iím waiting on the road test they are doing to decide. I really like the idea of the gooseneck version and freeing up bed space. They said any of their frames are built to handle the gooseneck with no problems.


Post back when you hear what they thought of the hitch. I'd like to hear direct knowledge from heavy rigs - apples to apples comparison.

JDT 01-09-2020 02:42 PM

Watching also. Our Excel has a house built fully boxed frame that makes my 35 foot Winslow pretty heavy so I think I would be pretty safe with a hitch like the Gen-Y or maybe the Goose Box. The pin on our Excel is mounted to what I think is a Faber box which has holes spread at 9 1/2 inches apart and with a center row of holes. The Gen-Y has their outside most holes spread at 8 3/4 so not a match. I'm trying to get info on the Reese Goose Box to see how their pattern works. I called both Reese and Gen-Y and both suggested the possibility of getting at least one side of their hitches to match existing holes on my box and drilling new holes for the other side. Sounds reasonable but will have to think about it. Certainly don't have to worry about any warranty as Excel folded 4 years ago.

I like the idea of only having to remove a hitch ball instead of a heavy hitch when I need my truck bed open.

cwall59 01-10-2020 08:26 AM

I believe the Executive is rated up to 30k and has pin weight options from 2.5k up to 5.5k . Iím hoping the NH folks are happy with the results.

JDT 01-10-2020 11:57 AM

I confirmed today that the Goosebox will work on my Winslow but don't want to do anything until I see a report on the Gen-Y. The advantage of the Goosebox for me is with the air bag I can release the air and lower the front of the fifth wheel a bit. I need the extra clearance for it to fit in my 13' opening for my rv garage. I just need a ride comparison for the two.

consolenut 01-10-2020 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cwall59 (Post 5105142)
I believe the Executive is rated up to 30k and has pin weight options from 2.5k up to 5.5k . Iím hoping the NH folks are happy with the results.

5500 pin weight wont be enough for the bigger NH models loaded. Many of them are over 6k on the pin. some even heavier.

cwall59 01-11-2020 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by consolenut (Post 5105424)
5500 pin weight wont be enough for the bigger NH models loaded. Many of them are over 6k on the pin. some even heavier.

They think mine should fall in to one of the ratings pretty easily, Iím hoping all goes good with the test.

aknavy 01-11-2020 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JDT (Post 5105380)
I confirmed today that the Goosebox will work on my Winslow but don't want to do anything until I see a report on the Gen-Y. The advantage of the Goosebox for me is with the air bag I can release the air and lower the front of the fifth wheel a bit. I need the extra clearance for it to fit in my 13' opening for my rv garage. I just need a ride comparison for the two.


My thought, should I switch, is to add airbags to to the truck for adjustability. When I had them on the last truck, I could change height by a couple inches as well as soften/tighten the ride.


While the ride of this BD5 is good, I hate hitching it up, and I hate having it in the bed of the truck. When we're not towing, I use my truck bed for all kinds of stuff.


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