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Sallahbeam 12-29-2019 12:59 PM

Okay 5W/truck combo?
 
Hi all. Been prowling the forums for a while now, decided to join today :) My hubby and I are looking to go full time for several months of the year starting next year.

We originally were planning on buying a Class A MH and have a toad, but hubby had to replace his truck at the beginning of this year. He bought a 2018 Ram 2500 diesel SRW, shortbed. Since he bought the truck, we changed our plans and will now get a 5W.

The 5W we really like is the 286rl by Forest River, Salem Hemisphere. It's hitch weight is 1625lbs, UVW is 8499, and CCC is 2086. I think the truck will pull this around with no problems, but I thought I'd ask the knowledgeable people here just to be sure.

What are your thoughts on this combo??

THEHOFF 12-29-2019 01:02 PM

Should be just fine!! My 2016 2500 and 2019 pulled My 41 fine.

450Donn 12-29-2019 01:56 PM

That roughly translates into 10000 pound ready to go fiver. Using the accepted 20% pin weight number means your going to be about 2300 pounds including hitch directly over the rear axle. Do you have that much capacity? IMHO towing a fiver with a 2500 anybrand truck is going to wind up marginal at best.

TXiceman 12-29-2019 02:24 PM

For an estimated pin weight, use 20% of the trailers GVWR, not the light brochure weights. Any 3/4 ton truck has the net cargo capacity as the limiting factor for what if can haul. Yo will hit the cargo capacity or payload capacity well before you reach the towing maximum.

A new truck should have a yellow sticker on the drivers door jamb that list the payload capacity. Your payload capacity will consist of passengers, any cargo, a 5th wheel hitch plus the pin weight of the trailer. This total has to be less than the stated payload capacity.

You will get some folks telling you to add air bags and just go for it. Air bags will add ZERO to the truck cargo or tow rating.

You have found the short comings of a 3/4 ton truck.

Ken

Sallahbeam 12-29-2019 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 450Donn (Post 5090852)
That roughly translates into 10000 pound ready to go fiver. Using the accepted 20% pin weight number means your going to be about 2300 pounds including hitch directly over the rear axle. Do you have that much capacity? IMHO towing a fiver with a 2500 anybrand truck is going to wind up marginal at best.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but where do you get the 2300lb number? Wouldn't the "hitch weight" listed at 1625lb be the hitch weight in the bed? The payload....I guess? The payload for my truck is 2450lb

Sallahbeam 12-29-2019 02:26 PM

Just saw this as I was posting reply :)

chboone 12-30-2019 12:10 AM

8,499 lbs UVE + 2,086 lbs CCC = 10,585 lbs 5th wheel loaded ready to go. You're not going to tow an empty 5th wheel camping.

20% 10,585 = 2,117 lbs pin weigh less hitch.

Now check the spec's of the truck to see if it can handle that pin weight.

Redapple 12-30-2019 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chboone (Post 5091570)
8,499 lbs UVE + 2,086 lbs CCC = 10,585 lbs 5th wheel loaded ready to go. You're not going to tow an empty 5th wheel camping.

20% 10,585 = 2,117 lbs pin weigh less hitch.

Now check the spec's of the truck to see if it can handle that pin weight.

Yes, and in the drivers side door pillar there are two stickers, one is yellow and has you ccc or cargo carrying capacity. The other sticker will have your gawr (gross axle weight rating) for front and rear. Give us those numbers and we can help even more.

Sallahbeam 12-30-2019 09:22 PM

One sticker, with yellow stripes on the top and bottom, says that combined weight of passengers and cargo should not exceed 2075lbs.... :/ The other sticker (white) states GVWR is 10,000lbs, GAWR front 6000lbs, GAVW rear 6500lbs. Thoughts??

LAKnox 12-30-2019 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sallahbeam (Post 5092677)
One sticker, with yellow stripes on the top and bottom, says that combined weight of passengers and cargo should not exceed 2075lbs.... :/ The other sticker (white) states GVWR is 10,000lbs, GAWR front 6000lbs, GAVW rear 6500lbs. Thoughts??

While some say, truly, that you'll never tow empty, how likely is it that you'll tow at GVW? I tow a 10.5GVW FW with my '02 D'max just fine. I do pack pretty light and my tires are about 600 lbs over my rear axle rating. I'm positive I'm over my cargo rating, but I tow very comfortably and stably. Given that the rear ends of most 3/4t trucks are virtually identical to their 1t counterparts, just lacking a spring leaf or two, I don't worry if I'm over by a couple hundred.

Lyle

laj 12-31-2019 12:17 AM

just enough to make it ride good[emoji853]

IC2 12-31-2019 04:39 AM

You should be just fine. Yes, you may end up close to the magic maximum GVW (gross vehicle weight) of the truck if it has a 10,000 pound rating.rating. A '3/4 ton' pickup regardless of brand, cannot exceed that 10,000 GVW. That's the truck, hitch+5er, mom, dad, kids, dogs, firewood or whatever else weight that can be on those 4 truck tires. Do many exceed that magic 10K weight? Yep, and some by a lot and do it safely. Legally .....

tuffr2 12-31-2019 05:09 AM

The way I think about it 250/2500 series trucks can tow travel trailers and 350/3500 series trucks can tow travel trailers or 5th wheels. So you really should have a 350/3500 series truck for a 5th wheel.

With just a misley 2,075 pounds of occupant and cargo capacity you should really be looking at travel trailers and not 5th wheels.

Now, there are a lot of very nice trailers with 3 slides. I personally like a Flagstaff 29 RSWS. Rockwood and Flagstaff are the same travel trailer just different names. Look at Flagstaff Classic and Rockwood Signature trailers to see if you like any of them? YouTube is great to look at RV's.

Rhagfo 12-31-2019 07:11 AM

WOW, I see the Weight Police jumping on this one heavily! Sure might be a bit over GVWR, but they have plenty of rear axle, and already have the truck.
Their choice, but have seen much larger 5er carried/pulled by the newer Ram 2500's.


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