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Grannemann 06-06-2020 10:05 PM

Water Tank Question
 
Have a water tank question and may be something I am just worrying about too much. I have had 2 incidents where I was filling up the water tank and it ended up overflowing while getting distracted (I know better now not to do 2 things at the same time). The water hose was in it and water was coming from around the sides of the water hose and in one case may have been coming out of the vent next to the fresh water fill-up. I haven't noticed any leaks underneath but the underneath is covered so unable to visualize the tank. I have read other stories on these chats where people have done similar things and it has resulted in the supporting brackets on the water tank getting bent out. If this was your camper, would you take the underside covering off (which would be difficult given the way it seems screwed in) if you haven't noticed any leaks underneath or is this something that I just shouldn't worry about and not do again.

ColoradoRFL 06-07-2020 06:39 AM

No, fresh water tanks have an overflow valve or hole at the top of the tank. That is how I have filled the water tanks in my RV’s (Class A’s and trailer) without any issues for many years.

bddadles 06-07-2020 06:53 AM

I agree. It was most likely the overflow vent.

swavescatter 06-07-2020 09:01 AM

If you had the water pressure too high, the vent is not sufficient. It can pressurize and crack your tank. Ask me how I know...

You should really invest in an adjustable tank fill spout and fill it slowly. Hopefully the leaking water is just from the vent, but definitely monitor it if it doesn't stop...

Ljwt330 06-07-2020 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by swavescatter (Post 5293960)
If you had the water pressure too high, the vent is not sufficient. It can pressurize and crack your tank. Ask me how I know...

You should really invest in an adjustable tank fill spout and fill it slowly. Hopefully the leaking water is just from the vent, but definitely monitor it if it doesn't stop...

This^^.


All fresh water tanks are vented, usually through the overflow port, so water can be drawn out without creating a vacuum. As posted above, the overflow is not necessarily large enough to prevent some pressurizing from a high-flow input city water hose. A lot will depend on how long a time the pressurized water was connected while the overflow was happening. In your case, I agree than monitoring for continued water leaking is in order. My bet is that no damage was done, however.

Grannemann 06-08-2020 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ljwt330 (Post 5294049)
This^^.


All fresh water tanks are vented, usually through the overflow port, so water can be drawn out without creating a vacuum. As posted above, the overflow is not necessarily large enough to prevent some pressurizing from a high-flow input city water hose. A lot will depend on how long a time the pressurized water was connected while the overflow was happening. In your case, I agree than monitoring for continued water leaking is in order. My bet is that no damage was done, however.

My underbelly is covered so I don't see any outflow port. My old camper had this and is what I was used to which caused the episodes. Each one at most maybe had a minute where the overflow was occuring. I haven't noticed any leaks but wondering if need to take the underbelly off to further examine the tank, which I supsect could be difficult the way it was screwed in from the top of the frame

Persistent 06-08-2020 07:34 AM

Over fill
 
There are lots of fill systems. The low end way is what yours sounds like. It is hard to get high pressure into it. The fill hose is not sealed to the fill port. Water vents around the hose end as well as through the air vent.

Other systems fill from the "city water" hose connection. You can get full city water pressure into the fresh tank that way. It still has a vent, but it may be too small to keep the pressure down.

I have heard of water tanks mounts breaking, but I would not blame weight of water. I would blame design and build issues.

Bending brackets from bulging tanks or seams breaking are certainly possible . Some campground water systems have been measured at 90 psi.

I wish you good luck and happy trails ahead!:)

Grannemann 06-09-2020 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Persistent (Post 5295304)
There are lots of fill systems. The low end way is what yours sounds like. It is hard to get high pressure into it. The fill hose is not sealed to the fill port. Water vents around the hose end as well as through the air vent.

Other systems fill from the "city water" hose connection. You can get full city water pressure into the fresh tank that way. It still has a vent, but it may be too small to keep the pressure down.

I have heard of water tanks mounts breaking, but I would not blame weight of water. I would blame design and build issues.

Bending brackets from bulging tanks or seams breaking are certainly possible . Some campground water systems have been measured at 90 psi.

I wish you good luck and happy trails ahead!:)

Correct, my system is filled through a water port and not through city connection. The hose took up alot of space in it but when it was overflowing it was coming out from around it and then when I removed the hose it had a siphon effect where water kept coming out for about 20 seconds. So it sounds like you think it would be unlikelyl anything has happend to the tank?

Ljwt330 06-09-2020 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Grannemann (Post 5296593)
Correct, my system is filled through a water port and not through city connection. The hose took up alot of space in it but when it was overflowing it was coming out from around it and then when I removed the hose it had a siphon effect where water kept coming out for about 20 seconds. So it sounds like you think it would be unlikelyl anything has happend to the tank?

This clarifies your situation^^.


A fill port cannot pressurize the tank unless you purposely sealed the entire port opening. Putting your last post together with your others, the water you saw could very well be the water that was coming out of the fill port and running down along the fill tube exterior. Additionally, filling up to the vent/overflow could create a siphon which will draw some water out of the tank until the level drops below the overflow tube opening, assuming an overflow tube was inserted into the top of the tank.


Given all posts, I don't believe you have any worries.:thumb:

charliez 06-09-2020 01:00 PM

What you experienced is normal. It either has or will happen to everyone eventually. No harm was done. You can get this little gadget and it leaves more space for the air to vent as you are filling it, plus you get a valve you can control so you don't have to run back to the faucet/yell at someone to --!!TURN IT OFF!!--TURN IT OFF!!--


https://www.amazon.com/Camco-Shutoff...s%2C157&sr=8-1

Old-Biscuit 06-09-2020 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by charliez (Post 5297164)
What you experienced is normal. It either has or will happen to everyone eventually. No harm was done. You can get this little gadget and it leaves more space for the air to vent as you are filling it, plus you get a valve you can control so you don't have to run back to the faucet/yell at someone to --!!TURN IT OFF!!--TURN IT OFF!!--


https://www.amazon.com/Camco-Shutoff...s%2C157&sr=8-1


Had one of THOSE.....
Clear Plastic tube blew off and went down the Fill Line/into tank


Used the yellow shut off valve for a while then replaced it with a BRASS one from Home Dept (garden shutoff valve)


Still have that tube in my fresh water tank :blush:

charliez 06-09-2020 01:35 PM

LOL.




Update, remove clear plastic tube and add silicone around the barb then replace and let dry before use.


I've never had one. I rarely use the water tank.

swavescatter 06-09-2020 04:17 PM

I would caution the OP to monitor his tank.

I cracked my tank on the bottom near the dump valve by filling through the gravity fill port. Yes, water was coming out of the vent tube and around the hose nozzle. THERE CAN STILL BE ENOUGH PRESSURE TO CRACK A TANK EVEN IF NOT FULLY SEALED.

Think about hydraulics and how they work. PSI stands for PER SQUARE INCH. Assuming a tank is roughly 5'x5'x1' (probably conservative) then Even 1 PSI of pressure differential at the fill port translates to over 10,000lbs of force stretching that tank apart. If your flow rate exceeds the tank's ability to vent, pressure will build rapidly and the compressible air turns into incompressible water (a hydraulic press).

carl.swoyer 06-09-2020 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ColoradoRFL (Post 5293796)
No, fresh water tanks have an overflow valve or hole at the top of the tank. That is how I have filled the water tanks in my RVs (Class As and trailer) without any issues for many years.

I have two overflow drains on each side of my 100 gallon tank. When they squirt I'm full


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