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Dan_W 10-12-2020 07:41 PM

Freightliner M2-106 Vs Cascadia 113 frame
 
Looking at a Renegade Verona or Classic. Looking for a 40 footer or less. I know the major differences between the two frames and engines. Cascadia bigger engine and able to tow more. I donít need the towing capacity my question is on the ride. Which one would ride and handle better while towing a Jeep.
Thanks much Dan

KFed 90-10 10-12-2020 08:16 PM

Vote for Cascadia
 
Dan, while I have never driven the M2, I can say with certainty my Cascadia, with the 15 liter Cummins, dual axle and 13 speed Eaton is a dream to drive. The ride is firm but not harsh, like riding in a luxury pickup truck. I too tow a jeep and it makes no difference in fuel mileage if I tow or not, averaging 7.5 mpg. I set the cruise on the interstate at 75 and forget it. Wind, passing trucks, grooves in the road, nothing pushes me off course, except my own input sometimes. As long as I have decent momentum, I can climb 6% grades with little or no slowdown. The power and stability is amazing and a must in the Mountain West, where I spend most of my time. I know my coach is a little different, being a 45 footer and a Cascadia 125, but I would imagine comparable in ride to a 40 footer, Cascadia 113 and the DD 13. The beauty of the classic is you can really customize right from the factory. But I say, you cant have too much of a good thing and go with the Classic. Good luck, and you can't go wrong with either choice.

RonLC 10-12-2020 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan_W (Post 5478597)
Looking at a Renegade Verona or Classic. Looking for a 40 footer or less. I know the major differences between the two frames and engines. Cascadia bigger engine and able to tow more. I donít need the towing capacity my question is on the ride. Which one would ride and handle better while towing a Jeep.
Thanks much Dan

Cascadia rides better and has more power. You would never know a Jeep is behind you with either one. But I didn't want to put that much money into a toy so I bought a Verona LE.

Idleup 10-12-2020 08:27 PM

Iíve driven possibly a dozen Veronaís and Classics 40 ft single axles. While it might come as a surprise the Verona with a L9 is actually quicker than a Classic with a Detroit. While thereís more power in the Classic thereís also a lot more build weight to deal with. Good luck with your venture either coach will give you a lifetime of service as an RV.

Stay Safe - Mike

Dan_W 10-12-2020 09:40 PM

Thanks much for the advice, i have a CDL CLASS B airbrake endorsement, just had it for years but donít drive to much being in sales instead. I have had my mind many up 3 times this year ďhahaĒ. Renegade has been my go to brand just waiting for the market to settle down. I have been looking over the Newmar Super Star, that came out in the past two years. Little scared about hearing that they have had problems with windows, not sure if it is on the Class C. Anyone have an opinion on Newmar Super Star??

KFed 90-10 10-13-2020 09:08 PM

I was just days away from putting a deposit down on a new Verona. While visiting the dealership one more time, someone traded in a 42 foot classic. We took it for a ride and were blown away by the ride, power and extra amenities. The Class 8 truck is amazing in an RV application. Plus my wife found out she could customize many of the Classic's features etc. So we turned our attention to finding a Classic and eventually found our current coach, a barely used 2014 with only 10,000 miles on it and for less than the price of a new Verona. With patience and persistence you can find good used coaches. The price of a new one is a bit hard to swallow for most of us. Good luck.

Idleup 10-14-2020 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KFed 90-10 (Post 5480071)
I was just days away from putting a deposit down on a new Verona. While visiting the dealership one more time, someone traded in a 42 foot classic. We took it for a ride and were blown away by the ride, power and extra amenities. The Class 8 truck is amazing in an RV application. Plus my wife found out she could customize many of the Classic's features etc. So we turned our attention to finding a Classic and eventually found our current coach, a barely used 2014 with only 10,000 miles on it and for less than the price of a new Verona. With patience and persistence you can find good used coaches. The price of a new one is a bit hard to swallow for most of us. Good luck.

Looks like your patience paid off - while there are very few - there is some good deals on used coaches since many owners are going through troubled times in their business. In addition, Motor Sport racing is on its knees which might produce a few more coaches. Send us some pretty pictures!

Stay Safe - Mike

xcflyn 10-14-2020 06:00 PM

I live in CO. I went with a 36’ Verona with a L9. Tow a rubicon and really don’t struggle very bad on the long pulls. The 36’ was a little lighter than the LE and I feel dollar for dollar it was a wise buy. I just pulled 1300 miles to the midwest and got between 7.8 - 8.3MPG. Not bad really. If I was retired or had deeper pockets I may have went classic. A Classic is in my future but we are surprisingly very satisfied with the M2 Verona. My wife doesn’t even want to do an upgrade to a classic but I will consider it when the time is right.My reasoning is more about the ability to custom build a coach , it’s a bucket list thing like a Beech Bonanza :) when I sell my Bonanza I will order a classic. I would really like to see the cabs go through another year or two of updates. A 10 year old pickup seems to have more features then a new Cascadia or M2. I would kick around a Peterbuilt or other when I decide to Push closer to the half million dollar envelope. I think a person could feel good about the value with either chassis. These are trucks and drive like trucks. Anybody that says it drives like a car or even a 1/2 ton truck has much better driving skills than I do and maybe a little better imagination.
Renegade sure builds a nice coach. I will never have a 5th wheel again !!!

Tobyamp 10-15-2020 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan_W (Post 5478597)
Looking at a Renegade Verona or Classic. Looking for a 40 footer or less. I know the major differences between the two frames and engines. Cascadia bigger engine and able to tow more. I donít need the towing capacity my question is on the ride. Which one would ride and handle better while towing a Jeep.
Thanks much Dan

It can be overwhelming, I ran across this chart that may help you. We ended up with The 2019 Verona, 36VSB. (M2-106)

stamanti 10-15-2020 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Idleup (Post 5478661)
Iíve driven possibly a dozen Veronaís and Classics 40 ft single axles. While it might come as a surprise the Verona with a L9 is actually quicker than a Classic with a Detroit. While thereís more power in the Classic thereís also a lot more build weight to deal with. Good luck with your venture either coach will give you a lifetime of service as an RV.

Stay Safe - Mike

Earlier this year I convoyed from one race track to another with our classic and my friend's Verona. Our '07 Columbia 40' single axle with Mercedes 450 pulling a 30' renegade steel frame stacker with race car and spares didn't pull away from a 40' Verona pulling a 26' stacker loaded similarly. The classic has a build weight penalty, and was pulling a heavier trailer.

Mastertech1 10-24-2020 11:27 AM

Could you be kind enough to tell me the weights both Gross and dry so I can tell OCC , I have a 2021 Verona 36VSB on order.

Thanks in advance

Idleup 10-24-2020 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mastertech1 (Post 5493210)
Could you be kind enough to tell me the weights both Gross and dry so I can tell OCC , I have a 2021 Verona 36VSB on order.

Thanks in advance

Hello you'll never have to ever worry about adding too much weight in your Verona, my coach is a Verona 34' and I'm allowed over 9,000 lbs.

Enjoy your new ride!

Mike

Paul R. 10-31-2020 04:32 AM

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A 2021 Verona 36VSB with the over cab bunk/washer and dryer/lithium batteries/solar package has an OCCC of 8079 lbs.

Mastertech1 11-01-2020 04:15 AM

OCC
 
Thanks !!

sfarkasmd 04-08-2022 07:31 AM

Renegade vs Newmar Super Star
 
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Originally Posted by Dan_W (Post 5478734)
Thanks much for the advice, i have a CDL CLASS B airbrake endorsement, just had it for years but donít drive to much being in sales instead. I have had my mind many up 3 times this year ďhahaĒ. Renegade has been my go to brand just waiting for the market to settle down. I have been looking over the Newmar Super Star, that came out in the past two years. Little scared about hearing that they have had problems with windows, not sure if it is on the Class C. Anyone have an opinion on Newmar Super Star??

We have just taken delivery of a 2022 Newmar Super Star 3727 with 3 slides. I know that there were issues with the windows on the Dutch Star, however I have not heard that about the Super Star. Over all, we love ours. Great ride and actually very quiet....and we just came out of a Dutch Star. Build quality and comfort is up scale Newmar. However, we just found out the kids/grandkids are moving out here to the east coast and we will need a bigger coach. for that reason only, we will be selling ours and going back to the pusher.

rolick22 04-15-2022 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan_W (Post 5478597)
Looking at a Renegade Verona or Classic. Looking for a 40 footer or less. I know the major differences between the two frames and engines. Cascadia bigger engine and able to tow more. I donít need the towing capacity my question is on the ride. Which one would ride and handle better while towing a Jeep.
Thanks much Dan

As most know the S2RV is nearly the same as the Verona M2 chassis. I have a OCCC of over 7,500 lbs. I tow a Ford F-250 and donít know it back there unless I look at my rear camera. I just drove about 75 with really strong cross winds 20-30 mph with gust to 40. It was a two hands on the wheel drive but I always felt in control. Yes a little drifting here and there but manageable. I Kept it under 60 for most of the ride.

HoosierRVer 06-21-2022 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by xcflyn (Post 5481153)
I live in CO. I went with a 36í Verona with a L9. Tow a rubicon and really donít struggle very bad on the long pulls. The 36í was a little lighter than the LE and I feel dollar for dollar it was a wise buy. I just pulled 1300 miles to the midwest and got between 7.8 - 8.3MPG. Not bad really. If I was retired or had deeper pockets I may have went classic. A Classic is in my future but we are surprisingly very satisfied with the M2 Verona. My wife doesnít even want to do an upgrade to a classic but I will consider it when the time is right.My reasoning is more about the ability to custom build a coach , itís a bucket list thing like a Beech Bonanza :) when I sell my Bonanza I will order a classic. I would really like to see the cabs go through another year or two of updates. A 10 year old pickup seems to have more features then a new Cascadia or M2. I would kick around a Peterbuilt or other when I decide to Push closer to the half million dollar envelope. I think a person could feel good about the value with either chassis. These are trucks and drive like trucks. Anybody that says it drives like a car or even a 1/2 ton truck has much better driving skills than I do and maybe a little better imagination.
Renegade sure builds a nice coach. I will never have a 5th wheel again !!!

I would have to agree. We just bought a 2022 Verona 36VSB on the M2-106 chassis. Frankly it rides like a truck. But my big gripe is that the cab looks like it was designed in 1980. Hardly any storage...none in the doors. Cruise control that is on the dash which causes you to take your eyes off the road to engage. Windshield wipers that operate like something off a 1970s era truck. Cup holders that fit a Big Gulp from Pilot perfectly, but won't fit your Yeti cup.


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