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Fleagle 11-12-2020 01:44 PM

RV with firearms
 
I did a search for information on this, within the group. I came up with two links and both were outdated. Any one know what the current rules are if you stay at a "on base RV camp ground".

Old-Biscuit 11-12-2020 01:50 PM

Almost every military base requires all private firearms be checked in with the security police/armory. It's no problem, just a bit of a hassle to take your weapons to the armory and get a receipt. This is the main rule for almost all bases. Some have said "no weapons at all". Of course, there are also a few exceptions if you have a hunting permit for on base.

When you take your weapons to the armory, be sure they are unloaded, chamber open, and they don't want your ammo.

ML2109S32043 11-12-2020 01:51 PM

I did a quick check of the two facilities close to me in NE FL.

NAS Jacksonville RV park states that firearms must be checked into the Base Amory.

Camp Blanding (FLNG) states that firearms must be registered at the gate with the MPs and may be kept at your RV.

I think the answer is "it depends." I'd recommend checking the web pages for each site. I use RV Trip Wizard and they have a link to the campgrounds website. And of course call to confirm.

Don

skypilot_1 11-12-2020 02:06 PM

The problem we ran into is some base armories had a time limit on how long they would hold firearm if you were not active duty PCS living in base quarters.

We had reservations in famcamp for 90 days and armory would only hold firearm for 30 days.

i can tell you from seeing 1st hand what happens if you bring one on base and get caught. Security police surrounded RV with weapons drawn had occupants on ground till they had the guys firearm in hand. Can impound vehicle as well.

Don't ask....don't tell can bite you in the axx :nonono:

Navy famcamp we snowbird at had guest commit suicide with hand gun in RV. Command was not happy.

Cat320 11-13-2020 01:15 PM

It makes no sense to prohibit firearms from places where everybody entering has to have an ID and the majority of the folks stationed there are trained in the use of firearms.

Old-Biscuit 11-13-2020 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cat320 (Post 5518824)
It makes no sense to prohibit firearms from places where everybody entering has to have an ID and the majority of the folks stationed there are trained in the use of firearms.

You are a 'visitor' vs assigned/stationed there
Different rules apply to visitors

n2zon 11-13-2020 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cat320 (Post 5518824)
It makes no sense to prohibit firearms from places where everybody entering has to have an ID and the majority of the folks stationed there are trained in the use of firearms.

In my limited experience, few people are allowed to be armed on military bases, except for military security personnel (MPs or Security Troops or SPs, etc.).

Ray,IN 11-13-2020 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cat320 (Post 5518824)
It makes no sense to prohibit firearms from places where everybody entering has to have an ID and the majority of the folks stationed there are trained in the use of firearms.

Even AD personnel must store their private arms in an armory if they live on-base.
Remember the FT. Hood massacre?

Cat320 11-14-2020 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray,IN (Post 5519379)
...Remember the FT. Hood massacre?...

Yep, sure do, and had some of the combat arms type GIs been armed, there would not have been near the number of deaths of innocent people.

Ray,IN 11-16-2020 09:50 PM

This is somewhat off-topic but related to RV travel with firearms. RVers and the 4th Amendment

to-camp 11-20-2020 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Old-Biscuit (Post 5518844)
You are a 'visitor' vs assigned/stationed there
Different rules apply to visitors

I've always found it strange that the government takes your rights away on government property. What good is our constitution if the rights given to you can be taken away simply because of where you are?

Piper K9 11-21-2020 10:39 PM

Like it or not it is not a Constitutional violation. If you drive into a military base you and your vehicle can be searched arrested or seized under the National defence act of 19 something forgot the act number and that warning usually is posted at the gate prior to you entering when you sign in. To start with government property is restricted due to it's mission as is with all federal property as need be. Also understand that retired Law Enforcement Officers who have been formally trained to cary and conceal a firearm could not cary in all states until the passage of HR 218 and they are also restricted from loading a firearm on Federal Property, courts and schools... After that being passed out Congress and Senate also passed the same for themselves. Is our Congress and Senate that well trained After all they can have private security assigned to them and paid for by the U.S. Tax Payer and all of that has nothing to do under our Consution. Under the HR 218 law passage a Federal LEO can not carry on any aircraft and if the have a firearms them it must be locked in a special container placed in baggage the is place in the baggage compartment. That is not a violation of the Constitutions 2nd Admendant

arcaguy 11-21-2020 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by to-camp (Post 5527719)
I've always found it strange that the government takes your rights away on government property. What good is our constitution if the rights given to you can be taken away simply because of where you are?


You don't have the "right" to be on a military installation, just like you don't have a "right" to be in my house or me have a "right" to be in yours. You are a guest on that military installation and as such you are required to abide by the rules and regulations the government sees fit to impose. If you don't like it you do in fact have a right to leave, or not enter in the first place.

Ray,IN 11-23-2020 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by arcaguy (Post 5529090)
You don't have the "right" to be on a military installation, just like you don't have a "right" to be in my house or me have a "right" to be in yours. You are a guest on that military installation and as such you are required to abide by the rules and regulations the government sees fit to impose. If you don't like it you do in fact have a right to leave, or not enter in the first place.

:thumb: We are admitted at the whim of the installation commander.

MarkK 11-24-2020 06:56 PM

My experience is to call each facility and ask what their rules are. One didn't want me to bring the gun in, or leave it. They just wanted make, model, ser #, and gave me the rules how it is to be stored.

BobinICT 11-25-2020 06:35 PM

Military installations are a whole different ball game. You want access, you play by their sand box rules or, you're not allowed to play in said sand box.

Fleagle 11-28-2020 06:12 PM

thanks for updates
 
thank you all for the advice.... Happy Thanksgiving

Amazen1955 12-06-2020 07:06 PM

McDill AFB Fl
 
The policy here is it must be registered with the SPs and with the camp office. You can keep it in your Camper and car going on and off base but not CC in facilities like commissary BX etc.

David 70 12-06-2020 07:33 PM

If you don't like it you do in fact have a right to leave, or not enter in the first place.[/QUOTE]

I wish I had known that 50 years ago:facepalm:

RightUR 05-23-2021 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cat320 (Post 5518824)
It makes no sense to prohibit firearms from places where everybody entering has to have an ID and the majority of the folks stationed there are trained in the use of firearms.

Unfortunately there are those with PTSD, who have Firearms and were able to acquire them before they received their rating. In some instances the VA has to report the individual to the FBI to impede him from purchasing a firearm.
So, Yes the majority of folks are trained in the use of firearms, But military bases are also the places where you will find many afflicted by PTSD.
The last thing you want is for one of these poor vets or service members to go GaGa and shoot up the whole place. Sadly We've already experienced that.

markandkim 05-24-2021 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RightUR (Post 5763047)
Unfortunately there are those with PTSD, who have Firearms and were able to acquire them before they received their rating. In some instances the VA has to report the individual to the FBI to impede him from purchasing a firearm.
So, Yes the majority of folks are trained in the use of firearms, But military bases are also the places where you will find many afflicted by PTSD.
The last thing you want is for one of these poor vets or service members to go GaGa and shoot up the whole place. Sadly We've already experienced that.

Are you originally from TX?

RightUR 05-24-2021 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by markandkim (Post 5763567)
Are you originally from TX?

Hmm, Oh man, you gotta give me more than that.

Cat320 05-25-2021 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RightUR (Post 5763047)
....So, Yes the majority of folks are trained in the use of firearms, But military bases are also the places where you will find many afflicted by PTSD...

This PTSD stuff is out of control. From what I have personally observed, I hope these guys are reevaluated at certain intervals.

Cooperhawk 05-25-2021 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RightUR (Post 5763047)
The last thing you want is for one of these poor vets or service members to go GaGa and shoot up the whole place. Sadly We've already experienced that.

I normally would just let this go by but perhaps you could justify that last statement because I see no trend like that at all.:cool:

n2zon 05-26-2021 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cat320 (Post 5765381)
This PTSD stuff is out of control. From what I have personally observed, I hope these guys are reevaluated at certain intervals.

I'm having trouble deciding whether to jump in or not, which is sort of a bad sign. I know a few military vets with PTSD very well. One is a family member.

They are reevaluated periodically, at least if they were medically retired with that as a component. It is not at all clear to me that the reevaluation process helps with anything. At all. It mostly adds stress to their lives. Evaluators want to bring up stuff they'd rather let fade. They don't need to be reminded. The nightmares often take years to stop after an intense deployment as it is.

The ones I know are peaceful folk. They have seen enough violence to last a lifetime. They have no wish to see any more, ever.

More to the point, rarely are these guys involved in any sort of mass shooting. And, from WWI forward, there have been a *lot* of them. So unless you have some direct evidence to offer, I think your hope is misplaced. Let 'em be.

Cooperhawk 05-26-2021 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by n2zon (Post 5766738)
The ones I know are peaceful folk. They have seen enough violence to last a lifetime. They have no wish to see any more, ever.

More to the point, rarely are these guys involved in any sort of mass shooting. And, from WWI forward, there have been a *lot* of them. So unless you have some direct evidence to offer, I think your hope is misplaced. Let 'em be.

From someone who suffers from it, thank you. We are often cast in a bad light, and unfairly in my opinion.🤔

RightUR 05-28-2021 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cat320 (Post 5765381)
This PTSD stuff is out of control. From what I have personally observed, I hope these guys are reevaluated at certain intervals.

Hmmm. from what you observed. What about from what you Studied?
See when I go to the VA they are docile like kittens. Even in group meetings they seem "relaxed." It's best if you go to 20-30 of them and observe them on a daily basis in their private setting.

RightUR 05-28-2021 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cat320 (Post 5519677)
Yep, sure do, and had some of the combat arms type GIs been armed, there would not have been near the number of deaths of innocent people.

yes and if Military basis were Alcohol free, maybe military members would be able to carry.
How many military personnel go to the Class 6, the NCO club or officer club for "quick" drink before going home? All goes well for a thousand times, or 100K times, but then there's that 1 time. How do the American people respond to that? It's a PR nightmare. Not worth it.

RightUR 05-28-2021 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray,IN (Post 5530495)
:thumb: We are admitted at the whim of the installation commander.

Exactly.

RightUR 05-28-2021 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooperhawk (Post 5765391)
I normally would just let this go by but perhaps you could justify that last statement because I see no trend like that at all.:cool:

Oh God No. You definitely don't want that to be/become a TREND. Even once is too much.
Even if it happens once, that's the Garrison commanders Axx, he's practically gone...if lucky, unpromotable. So it's in DoD's best interest to no even let it become an issue. Sorry if it causes the "poor civilians" some discomfort. LOL. Ask DoD if they care. It's their "house" now we wanna dictate policy?

El Chapo 06-06-2021 12:03 AM

I have PTS (I don't call it a "disorder") rated by the VA for my service to this country. I'm glad it's not up to you guys on which rights I get to keep. Especially those who don't understand PTS.

Odds are the drinks and prescription meds you take affect your reasoning and stability more than my life experiences affect mine. But I'm not trying to take away your rights. Get a mirror, stone thrower.

RightUR 06-07-2021 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by El Chapo (Post 5780099)
I have PTS (I don't call it a "disorder") rated by the VA for my service to this country. I'm glad it's not up to you guys on which rights I get to keep. Especially those who don't understand PTS.

Odds are the drinks and prescription meds you take affect your reasoning and stability more than my life experiences affect mine. But I'm not trying to take away your rights. Get a mirror, stone thrower.

I know you're not talking to me. And I'm willing to bet some here have PTSD and are just not saying it. You're not alone brother.

RScottB 06-13-2021 01:57 AM

WTF
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by El Chapo (Post 5780099)
I have PTS (I don't call it a "disorder") rated by the VA for my service to this country. I'm glad it's not up to you guys on which rights I get to keep. Especially those who don't understand PTS.

Odds are the drinks and prescription meds you take affect your reasoning and stability more than my life experiences affect mine. But I'm not trying to take away your rights. Get a mirror, stone thrower.



Ditto

markandkim 06-22-2021 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RScottB (Post 5789242)
Ditto

:thumb: 2nd ditto!

PS56 06-22-2021 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Fleagle (Post 5517537)
I did a search for information on this, within the group. I came up with two links and both were outdated. Any one know what the current rules are if you stay at a "on base RV camp ground".

You can also store them with some gunshops.
https://www.guns.com/news/2020/10/29...ners-in-crisis

LETMGROW 06-22-2021 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooperhawk (Post 5766890)
From someone who suffers from it, thank you. We are often cast in a bad light, and unfairly in my opinion.🤔

Thank you for your service.

VanDiemen23 06-22-2021 01:17 PM

Whether you relate it to PTSD or not, suicide is the problem.

PS56 06-22-2021 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by VanDiemen23 (Post 5801623)
Whether you relate it to PTSD or not, suicide is the problem.

Although the suicide rate among military populations is comparable to broader civilian rates, Van Winkle said, this is hardly comforting, and the numbers are not moving in the right direction

https://www.defense.gov/Explore/News...amily-members/

DOD report - and the misconceptions.

swduns 06-22-2021 04:31 PM

The first thing they tell you in the military is that you are now under the UCMJ uniform code of military justice. The military has its own set of law enforcement rules that take precedent. When your on a military base you need to follow the rules. The military don’t take much crap from people.

RScottB 06-23-2021 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by swduns (Post 5801847)
The first thing they tell you in the military is that you are now under the UCMJ uniform code of military justice. The military has its own set of law enforcement rules that take precedent. When your on a military base you need to follow the rules. The military don’t take much crap from people.

And since many of us are retired we are still on the 'rolls', we are technically subject to UCMJ. Retired and prosecuted under UCMJ does not happen often, maybe if you O7 flag officer or higher...

SgtJac 07-07-2021 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by n2zon (Post 5766738)

They are reevaluated periodically, at least if they were medically retired with that as a component. It is not at all clear to me that the reevaluation process helps with anything. At all. It mostly adds stress to their lives. Evaluators want to bring up stuff they'd rather let fade. They don't need to be reminded. The nightmares often take years to stop after an intense deployment as it is.

The ones I know are peaceful folk. They have seen enough violence to last a lifetime. They have no wish to see any more, ever.

More to the point, rarely are these guys involved in any sort of mass shooting. And, from WWI forward, there have been a *lot* of them. So unless you have some direct evidence to offer, I think your hope is misplaced. Let 'em be.


Let em be.. Great advice. Many 11B's, 003's from VN to Today ARE indeed peaceful folks. Thanks!:thumb:

TonyMac 07-07-2021 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RightUR (Post 5763047)
So, Yes the majority of folks are trained in the use of firearms, But military bases are also the places where you will find many afflicted by PTSD.

"many" is a gross exaggeration. Please don't categorize us that way. I'm a 24 year air force vet, with 10 OEF/OIF/OND deployments in the C-130. I'm also the son of a 31 year 3-war Marine vet. PTSD is rare in the extreme, in my experience. I've known alot of guys who've done some spooky things, and they are just fine.

powerboatr 07-07-2021 09:17 PM

wow really ventured off to another important rabbit hole




but we always call ahead and get post commanders guidance on firearms


i have found air force bases to be the best at letting it stay in rv ONLY


but again CALL AHEAD and ask what the current rules are.




but i have also been told dont ask and dont tell. keep the firearms in your rv and locked up. not in your toad trying to come and go


at some point soon it has to change to an official dod policy to allow firearms within the rv locked up and maybe a pre board registration so they know who has what.
if we find an installation is unfriendly to leaving them in the rv locked up. we go elsewhere, no way toady will we venture down life's road unarmed

donr103 07-07-2021 10:00 PM

I have not had a chance to read all the post yet, but look up Byrna.. and see what you think..

standerson 07-13-2021 09:54 AM

Every base is a little different, always call in advance.

Once, I put my firearm in the base armory, as required.

When I picked it up, it was dirty. They had shot it and not bothered to clean it.

I'm looking at the armor and drumming my fingers on the counter. I was hot. That little voice that keeps you out of trouble? Mine was screaming at me to just close the case and walk out.

I did.

From then on, always put trigger locks on them.

ArtJoyce 07-13-2021 10:01 AM

Carry in the safe. Just one did I feel we needed it out. My over reaction. No issues.

Sweetbriar 07-13-2021 10:45 AM

Many decades ago in my youth I was in school at a Navy Annex south of Va Beach. One day Seaman Stains (naturally not his real name) comes walking into the Base MAA's office with a S&W K frame revolver wanting to have it stored in the base armory. No prior notice to the base, command, main gate guard shack or anyone else. Just walked in and asked with the unloaded weapon in hand. As I understand, but could not confirm, the now Seaman "Apprentice" Stains never saw his weapon again and not long after shipped out with orders in hand to deck department of an AOE sailing out of Earl NJ.

Call ahead and make arrangements to secure your weapons before arriving at the gate. Your day will go much better if you do. Base security do not like surprises and they really don't like unauthorized weapons inside the base parameter. Finding one will give them something to talk for quite a long time.

RightUR 08-29-2021 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyMac (Post 5822429)
"many" is a gross exaggeration. Please don't categorize us that way. I'm a 24 year air force vet, with 10 OEF/OIF/OND deployments in the C-130. I'm also the son of a 31 year 3-war Marine vet. PTSD is rare in the extreme, in my experience. I've known alot of guys who've done some spooky things, and they are just fine.

Easy there, my experience is not yours and vice versa. I worked at the VA. There a tons of Air force vets that have PTSD. And here's something you don't know, well why would you? Many Air force vets with PTSD are females. Guess why they are getting PTSD disability? They were RAPED, Sexually assaulted and harassed. Yeah I know it happens in other branches to, but I'm the inquisitive type, I couldn't understand why so many folks from the AF were getting disability for PTSD, then I read their records.

markandkim 08-30-2021 09:30 AM

Not the right time for this.

forensics.dr 09-05-2021 06:17 PM

Firearms & RV's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray,IN (Post 5530495)
:thumb: We are admitted at the whim of the installation commander.

Actually, it is the DoD, & the individual military services that set these types of regulations. For the most part, and even then only within DoD & individual service regulations, installation commanders cannot alter, nor prescribe special requirements more restrictive than those in these applicable regulations. There are, however, special DoD regulations relative to the individual types of facilities, i.e. those containing certain types of classified information, nuclear facilities, etc., that may be more restrictive than the general regulations that might otherwise apply.

The predication for possession of firearms by certain active and retired military personnel, (as well as all qualified active and retired law enforcement officers, for that matter) is found in 18 U.S.C. § 922(q) and 36 C.F.R. §§ 2.4(e) & (h), which govern this subject in general.

Then again, there is the question as to "Common Sense", which does not supersede the preceding citations, however can reduce complications that individuals may be subjected to in any individual case. There is an old adage that, while I cannot quote it verbatim, essentially says that if one does not do anything to attract the attention of a law enforcement officer, e.g. violate the law in their presence, it is highly unlikely that one will be called upon to explain their (mis)conduct. Nothing is 100%, however, in this instance I can tell you as one who has long experience in law enforcement, including time as a Chief of Police, there is a lot of truth to this adage. The act of showing respect for the officer, and his badge and authority, as well as being polite and well mannered can go a long way when the officer is acting in areas where they are empowered to show discretion in their decision-making process. I know of many instances where the absence of having done so has resulted an individual being subjected to legal jeopardy, and cum situs est manifesta, the opposite is (quite probably, but then again there would be no reason for me, or anyone other than the law enforcement officer in question to actually know about it) true as well.

RScottB 09-06-2021 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Fleagle (Post 5517537)
I did a search for information on this, within the group. I came up with two links and both were outdated. Any one know what the current rules are if you stay at a "on base RV camp ground".

It's all dependent mostly with the base commander and what the commander inherited when assuming command, no is the usual safe solution for each commander.

ChuckandSun 09-24-2021 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Old-Biscuit (Post 5517544)
Almost every military base requires all private firearms be checked in with the security police/armory. It's no problem, just a bit of a hassle to take your weapons to the armory and get a receipt. This is the main rule for almost all bases. Some have said "no weapons at all". Of course, there are also a few exceptions if you have a hunting permit for on base.

When you take your weapons to the armory, be sure they are unloaded, chamber open, and they don't want your ammo.

Not in my case. We stayed at Corpus Christi NAS and they wanted my ammo in the armory, had to unload the mags, and COUNTED EVERY ROUND!.

Eric R 10-02-2021 08:15 PM

Thanks, Ray, IN.
Excellent points to ponder.


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