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codym444 05-06-2021 11:36 PM

21KVS w 2021 Ram 1500?
 
Greetings, newbee here, this thread again....many variations of this thread exist, i know...but I am looking for the expert take. What are your thoughts on this config:

Truck -
2021 Ram Big Horn 1500 5.7 etorque
8100 lbs towing 13900 GCWR
1728 Payload
4100 Rear axle
1200 lbs Husky WD hitch with sway control.
475 lbs passengers/ cargo in truck, no other mods or added payload.

Trailer-
21KVS ORV 5959 dry, loaded with about 1300 lbs including water and 2 bats and LP

Dry hitch is 685...Im thinking loaded will be over 1000...

What can i expect...is this a towable setup?

Cumminsfan 05-07-2021 10:08 AM

I think you're borderline fine. Only issue is the fresh water tank being behind the axles. 650 lbs could wag the tail.

litzdog911 05-07-2021 01:05 PM

ORVs are heavy. Your 1728 lb load capacity is your key issue. With a 1000-lb tongue weight you'll only have 728 lbs of truck capacity for you, your passengers, and stuff loaded in the truck. You'll be much happier with a 3/4 ton truck.

bneukam 05-07-2021 03:37 PM

Towed a ORV 21fqs with a 17 Ram 1500, and it was more than I was comfortable with. Especially in the back country mountain roads of Idaho, and Montana.

You are correct that you値l be close if not over 1,000 lb tongue weight. But as mentioned if the fresh tank is in the rear you could use that to offset some of the weight.

By the numbers you値l be ok, but expect a lot of pushing in the corners, and pulling with a lighter weight 1/2 ton. The coils on the Ram 1500 are designed for a nice ride, not so much for a heavy trailer. Swapped out the coils on my truck with TuffTruck 1211, which added more strength, less sag, and less tension on the WDH, and overall better ride. But my tongue weight only weighs 650 to 700 lbs.

If you already have the truck then get a high quality WDH, and see how it goes, if not then I would go 3/4 ton.

codym444 05-07-2021 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cumminsfan (Post 5741780)
I think you're borderline fine. Only issue is the fresh water tank being behind the axles. 650 lbs could wag the tail.

Thanks! My math agees about being borderline fine...we dont plan to carry the full 79 gallons at any one time...maybe 30 to 40 max...we only go out for 3-4 nights tops. We shall see.

codym444 05-07-2021 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by litzdog911 (Post 5741967)
ORVs are heavy. Your 1728 lb load capacity is your key issue. With a 1000-lb tongue weight you'll only have 728 lbs of truck capacity for you, your passengers, and stuff loaded in the truck. You'll be much happier with a 3/4 ton truck.


Yeah, we just bought the truck.... as I said we plan ro have at most 500 lbs in the truck, usually 450-475. I just dont want to exceed any max weights while getting some experience. Appreciate the input.

codym444 05-07-2021 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bneukam (Post 5742111)
Towed a ORV 21fqs with a 17 Ram 1500, and it was more than I was comfortable with. Especially in the back country mountain roads of Idaho, and Montana.

You are correct that you値l be close if not over 1,000 lb tongue weight. But as mentioned if the fresh tank is in the rear you could use that to offset some of the weight.

By the numbers you値l be ok, but expect a lot of pushing in the corners, and pulling with a lighter weight 1/2 ton. The coils on the Ram 1500 are designed for a nice ride, not so much for a heavy trailer. Swapped out the coils on my truck with TuffTruck 1211, which added more strength, less sag, and less tension on the WDH, and overall better ride. But my tongue weight only weighs 650 to 700 lbs.

If you already have the truck then get a high quality WDH, and see how it goes, if not then I would go 3/4 ton.


Yep i live in MT, lots of mountain camping...we pack pretty light, but I hear you. Im hoping to see how it goes this season. Is husky any good for a WDH, or should I upgrade?

RetiredbutWorking 05-07-2021 09:18 PM

I haven't towed a camper since the 1980s. That being said, every campground I go to is full of all sizes of trailers being towed by 1/2 ton four door pick ups.

bneukam 05-08-2021 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by codym444 (Post 5742487)
Yep i live in MT, lots of mountain camping...we pack pretty light, but I hear you. Im hoping to see how it goes this season. Is husky any good for a WDH, or should I upgrade?



Not familiar with the Husky, but if you already have it, then I would give it a try. Hensley, and Blue Ox are my two favorite for heavy loads. More importantly is that it痴 setup correctly. Measure your front fender at normal, trailer with no WDH, and then with WDH to see if your getting at least 50% restored. Probably will take you several adjustments to get it dialed in. Take the time to weigh it, and adjust loading for roughly 13% tongue weight. Once you gain experience towing the trailer you値l notice slight adjustments have an impact on how the truck feels going down the road.

Have family, and friends that live in Corvallis, and Choteau. Always enjoy our visits, camping at high elevations, and driving through the beautiful state.

litzdog911 05-08-2021 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RetiredbutWorking (Post 5742505)
I haven't towed a camper since the 1980s. That being said, every campground I go to is full of all sizes of trailers being towed by 1/2 ton four door pick ups.

Yeah, we see that, too. Doesn't make it appropriate, though. Too many of those rigs are way too heavy for the trucks pulling them.

Cumminsfan 05-08-2021 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RetiredbutWorking (Post 5742505)
I haven't towed a camper since the 1980s. That being said, every campground I go to is full of all sizes of trailers being towed by 1/2 ton four door pick ups.

We do a mix of RV parks, St parks and dry camping. I see all sorts of stuff as well. SUV's with 28' Ultra Lights, 2500/250's with 38' Montana's/Solitudes etc, and 1/2 tons with 5th wheels. None of it works on RV forums but for some reason they make it there. Guessing they make it home as well since how often do we hear about RV wrecks. In my short 11 years I've only seen a few.
Some of the big 5th wheels being pulled by 3/4 tons are out of state and many times several states away. Like 1000-1500 miles.

codym444 05-09-2021 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bneukam (Post 5742955)
Not familiar with the Husky, but if you already have it, then I would give it a try. Hensley, and Blue Ox are my two favorite for heavy loads. More importantly is that it痴 setup correctly. Measure your front fender at normal, trailer with no WDH, and then with WDH to see if your getting at least 50% restored. Probably will take you several adjustments to get it dialed in. Take the time to weigh it, and adjust loading for roughly 13% tongue weight. Once you gain experience towing the trailer you値l notice slight adjustments have an impact on how the truck feels going down the road.

Have family, and friends that live in Corvallis, and Choteau. Always enjoy our visits, camping at high elevations, and driving through the beautiful state.



Thanks! They are installing it at the dealer priror to delivery. I look forward to learning and gaining experience, and I appreciate the guidance. My number one priority right now is safety, and keeping my weights correct while I learn the setup.

Dave Pelletier 05-11-2021 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by litzdog911 (Post 5742974)
Yeah, we see that, too. Doesn't make it appropriate, though. Too many of those rigs are way too heavy for the trucks pulling them.

....yep. Most people have to learn the hard way, unfortunately

Dave

codym444 05-19-2021 07:56 PM

Well we picked her up this weekend (the 2021 ORV 21KVS). Hitched up and headed to a nearby campsite about 25 miles away. We had a blast. The TT handled well behind my Ram 1500. Granted it was a short drive without many obstacles but we had no troubles at all. We blew through an entire tank of propane in one night though...is this normal? We only used the furnace briefly in the morning...though we had the fridge on LP the whole time... Can't wait to take it out again. Also, the truck seemed to handle better when the camper was full of water than when it was empty...is this to be expected?

Dave Pelletier 05-20-2021 09:55 AM

Hmmm; one 30lb tank typically lasts us many days..... When I first got my trailer last November, I let it run on the furnace for 3-4 days in cold temps and there was still propane left. the fridge doesn't use a ton of propane and we've run our fridge on propane for well over a week without emptying one tank - your situation sounds odd and I'd wonder if the tank was really full. I'd be interested to know how long your second tank lasts...

Dave

phinphan 08-10-2021 11:33 PM

Any updates on this combo? I have the same truck and looking at the same trailer. Would love more info on how it tows!

Keith67 08-13-2021 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by codym444 (Post 5758120)
Also, the truck seemed to handle better when the camper was full of water than when it was empty...is this to be expected?

I found the same thing with my 21RBS. I always fill the fresh tank full (78 gallons). It tows better and tracks much more confidently, presumably because it痴 harder for various forces (wind, bumps, etc.) to move the trailer around with an extra 600lbs down low near the axles. It feels light and floaty if the tank is empty.

codym444 08-14-2021 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phinphan (Post 5868917)
Any updates on this combo? I have the same truck and looking at the same trailer. Would love more info on how it tows!

We have been using it every weekend since May, it holds its own between 60-65 mph in the hills and mountains of Montana. The truck doesnt sag, and the engine seems to have no trouble. My only wish is having the 3.55 or 3.92 gear ratio. 10 mpg in the 3.22 ratio at these prices sucks. The trailer is a dream to pull and the Ram 1500 handles it well. That said, when I can upgrade to a 3/4 ton I probably will. Wind can be a pain sometimes, and i think I could probably pick up a couple MPG. Long story short, we pull our 21kvs all over, almost weekly with the 1500 etorque. But, we will eventually upgrade for peace of mind. The 21kvs is amazing. HIGHLY recommend.

phinphan 08-14-2021 04:37 PM

Awesome, thank you!

I have 300 pounds less payload than you do (longhorn) and same gears. I would like to stay with a half ton for all the time when I am not towing. Think I will try it with truck for now and see if I think a quad cab 1500 ecodiesel with fewer options (for more payload) could cut it or go for the 2500. I have spent time in the ram 2500 diesel and its a great truck. So not the end of the world if thats where I end up.

Again, thanks for taking the time to post and excited about a 21kvs in my future.

codym444 08-15-2021 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phinphan (Post 5873626)
Awesome, thank you!

I have 300 pounds less payload than you do (longhorn) and same gears. I would like to stay with a half ton for all the time when I am not towing. Think I will try it with truck for now and see if I think a quad cab 1500 ecodiesel with fewer options (for more payload) could cut it or go for the 2500. I have spent time in the ram 2500 diesel and its a great truck. So not the end of the world if thats where I end up.

Again, thanks for taking the time to post and excited about a 21kvs in my future.


I have an in-law with the ecodiesel 1500 and a larger ORV Titanium and he regularly drives it from Oregon to Montana, he knows he is overweight on it but he does it...he is an OTR trucker and doesnt seem to have problems but I feel bad for his beautiful truck. I think you should be OK with the KVS, you will not regret that trailer purchase! Enjoy!

codym444 08-15-2021 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Pelletier (Post 5758652)
Hmmm; one 30lb tank typically lasts us many days..... When I first got my trailer last November, I let it run on the furnace for 3-4 days in cold temps and there was still propane left. the fridge doesn't use a ton of propane and we've run our fridge on propane for well over a week without emptying one tank - your situation sounds odd and I'd wonder if the tank was really full. I'd be interested to know how long your second tank lasts...

Dave

I think the tanks got cold...they werent empty. Newbee mistake.

MtCamper 08-24-2021 06:01 AM

We used a 1/2 ton for years and as I recall we got where we wanted and had fun. Then we went to a bigger RV and had to upgrade to a 3/4 ton. Then we went to a fifth wheel and added airbags to the 3/4 ton. Then we went to one ton. Moral of the story: When you decide to upgrade you truck, do yourself a favor and get a one ton diesel. You won't regret it and you just might save thousands in the process.


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