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Old-Biscuit 05-12-2021 11:25 AM

DO it the way YOUR Owners Manual for YOUR Brand/Model of RV

Simple......

Don't agree/question procedure------call MFG and inquire

Once again----Simple!

DGBPokes 05-12-2021 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CWSWine (Post 5748538)
Here is what Newmar sent me...



For years I have dumped, leveled, and ran out the slides.( on our second Newmar coach). At Nappanee, this past November, I watched then asked my service tech; ( guy been working for Newmar 23 years).
He said1. leave aired up at ride height 2. Check the reveal, if clear 3. Run the slides out 4. Dump and level.

His comment was; the closest tolerance on the slide is the reveal clearance. You have several inches for things to shift and move once you clear the reveal. If you are at a bad or un level site. Pay attention to the reveal. Run it out just an inch or two to clear the side wall, then dump and level, and then run it the rest of the way out. And reverse that coming in. Run it in, leaving it out that last couple of inches. Then retract the jacks, run up the air to ride height before retracting that last two inches.

I had not thought about the reveal clearance issue, makes a lot sense.

DGBPokes 05-12-2021 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CWSWine (Post 5748538)
Here is what Newmar sent me...



For years I have dumped, leveled, and ran out the slides.( on our second Newmar coach). At Nappanee, this past November, I watched then asked my service tech; ( guy been working for Newmar 23 years).
He said1. leave aired up at ride height 2. Check the reveal, if clear 3. Run the slides out 4. Dump and level.

His comment was; the closest tolerance on the slide is the reveal clearance. You have several inches for things to shift and move once you clear the reveal. If you are at a bad or un level site. Pay attention to the reveal. Run it out just an inch or two to clear the side wall, then dump and level, and then run it the rest of the way out. And reverse that coming in. Run it in, leaving it out that last couple of inches. Then retract the jacks, run up the air to ride height before retracting that last two inches.

I had not thought about the reveal clearance issue, makes a lot sense.

John_Penzi 05-12-2021 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CWSWine (Post 5748671)
I ask about 2017 Ventana so I don't know what years it applies to other than 2017. I called because reading the manual I thought slides out jacks down was error but was quickly informed that the manual was correct.

Its hard to tell from the wording of that memo. My manual says level, then put out the slides. But if they changed the way they think about it......

Dav L 05-13-2021 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by krpowers54 (Post 5748562)
I'm also relatively new to forums. I did search this subject prior to adding a new thread but apparently didn't use the proper terminology.

Thanks to everyone for the input and explanations. Gaps 1st, Slide 2nd, Level 3rd. Now - I only have one more question. As recommended by Newmar and many of you, I should check the gaps. What are we supposed to do if the gaps are not even? Have any of you experienced this? If so - what did you do?

Thanks again, folks.

Well, that would indicate that the rig is on an unlevel area. So, you could repark, find a new campsite, OR use the levelers to untwist the chassis.
Note in my post the need is to ensure the back is level and the front is level. If so, then the coach isn't twisted.

I added electronic sensors front and back and an intuitive user interface at the drivers station to monitor progress of "leveling". I guess the next step would be to auto level / untwist...

Others use a level on the floor. You can also view the rig to see which leg needs to raise. Or examine the gaps to see which direction the opening is twisted and then use the levelers to compensate.

Just ensure the gaps are even before moving the slides.

The above is why the owner's manuals differ and don't really address your question. Because it isn't "easy" the way the rigs are designed.

The other point is "Ok, I have the slides out. Overnight the leg on one corner sank in the ground. And because the slide is out, I can't see the reveal to determine if the opening is square before moving the slides closed. Now what?" Judgement call...use the levelers to untwist, or gamble and bring the slides in, or move the slides in most of the way and drive the rig slowly to level and then fully close them (close the reveal).

dukester 05-16-2021 03:44 PM

Do what the manufacturer says
 
Iíve been down this road too, and agree with your logic, but what Iíve learned is each manufacturer wants you to follow their instructions for a reason. If Newmar says slides out then level, then do it that way.

mebop 05-16-2021 03:56 PM

Leveling
 
We have a 2017 Dutch Star. My thinking on leveling is as follows: If the site is fairly level I donít mind putting out the slides prior to activating the automatic levelers. Otherwise I do the levelers first. Either way you can tweak the level manually after done with leveling. A quick check is how the entrance door shuts. It is very fussy if the bus is not perfectly level.

Plumberpilot 05-16-2021 04:04 PM

Dumb question, what if the reveal isnít square or even?
Sell it on the spot?

Travel_Lodge 05-16-2021 07:20 PM

We asked this question when in Red Bay at Tiffin (2021 Allegro Red). The guy in the mechanics bay told us to level, then put the slides out, then hit autolevel again for it to make any needed adjustments. The reasoning for this is once the slides are out your weight distribution has changed (the rig is now wider) and possibly the level position. We've done it this way since he told us this (about a month ago) and we have only seen minor adjusting to the level, but not all the time; sometimes it just sits where it was without making additional adjustments. We never saw any major changes other than no more creaking from the leveling jacks.

mbrooking 05-16-2021 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Travel_Lodge (Post 5754099)
We asked this question when in Red Bay at Tiffin (2021 Allegro Red). The guy in the mechanics bay told us to level, then put the slides out, then hit autolevel again for it to make any needed adjustments. The reasoning for this is once the slides are out your weight distribution has changed (the rig is now wider) and possibly the level position. We've done it this way since he told us this (about a month ago) and we have only seen minor adjusting to the level, but not all the time; sometimes it just sits where it was without making additional adjustments. We never saw any major changes other than no more creaking from the leveling jacks.

Different manufacturer = Different procedure
:rolleyes:

DKRITTER 05-16-2021 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Travel_Lodge (Post 5754099)
We asked this question when in Red Bay at Tiffin (2021 Allegro Red). The guy in the mechanics bay told us to level, then put the slides out, then hit autolevel again for it to make any needed adjustments. The reasoning for this is once the slides are out your weight distribution has changed (the rig is now wider) and possibly the level position. We've done it this way since he told us this (about a month ago) and we have only seen minor adjusting to the level, but not all the time; sometimes it just sits where it was without making additional adjustments. We never saw any major changes other than no more creaking from the leveling jacks.


Sorry but the original poster has a Newmar DS it's different from the Allegro Red.

sartor 05-16-2021 07:30 PM

Just in case it helps, here are a few tips I've learned in the six months or so now that I've had my 2019 Dutch Star 4369 Spartan.

1) Pull into site and get situated, but leave engine running (so air stays fully inflated).

2) Get out and check gaps, and also check clearance for the slides (e.g., that you're not going to hit the electric pole).

3) Extend the slides: full wall slide first, then passenger-side slide, then bedroom. In my opinion, with the engine still running (and hence supplying roughly 14 volts to batteries), there is no need to plug in to shore power (or start generator) before deploying slides.

4) Once slides deployed, shut off engine, and auto-level.

5) In my experience, given the weight of the full wall slide, after an hour or so I often find that the driver side has "sunk" a bit, so I just hit auto-level again and it adjusts slightly.

6) When leaving campsite, reverse: start by auto-store/un-level, then start engine. And here's a key tip: you need to wait as much as a few minutes after starting the engine for the air bags to get completely re-inflated. In my case, the last thing to come up is the full wall slide side, and it doesn't happen until the *secondary* air bag gauge gets up to 130 - 140 PSI. Be patient! If you want you can go outside and watch the gap between the front tire and the wheel well, and you'll see that gap on the full wall slide side be the last thing to open up. You should also here the pressure release valve go "whoosh" at the rear of the RV when the air-up is fully finished.

7) Once fully aired up, pull in the slides. Full wall slide first, then kitchen, then bedroom (probably really doesn't matter the order, but that's the order I do it).

Hope this helps!

Tom

Rick3390 05-16-2021 07:42 PM

I had this debate with myself. I lost to the manual FR which says level first. I think RVís have different instructions dependent on the slide mechanism type. My advice is follow the manual!

BBelanger 05-16-2021 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by krpowers54 (Post 5747596)
Hello all. A lot of firsts for me this year - Retired, purchased 2020 Dutch Star 4081 and 1st post to irv2.

In previous mh, I always leveled prior to putting slides out. In the DS owner's manual, they say to do just the opposite. I'm trying to look at this logically. It seems to me that there would be a lot less stress on slide-out mechanisms if they are extended/retracted when level. I think of retracting old style awnings. If the rv isn't level, it seems to favor one side or another and doesn't mesh evenly with the support bars.

On the other hand, I realize that leveling after slide-outs are extended would make for a more level final product. However, I'm more inclined to lean on less stress than the bubble being a little off-center.

Any thoughts? Thanks much!
Ken

We bought a 2017 Dutch Star 4018 with factory pickup. Our tech said when arriving slides out then level. When leaving, air up, jacks up, slides in. The reason is that the Newmar factory adjusts the slides with air bags full and jacks up.

Bill Bťlanger


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