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BirchyBoy 07-02-2021 07:54 PM

Say hello to Ol Blue!
 
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I traded the Wrangler in today for my new F-350. Its a 2018, XL/STX CCSB, 6.2, 4.30 axles and fifth wheel prep. Im not sure how the PO put 52k miles on it as it looks new.

Elwood58 07-02-2021 08:26 PM

Very nice. No worries towing with that beast.

tuffr2 07-03-2021 06:17 AM

Very nice - what is the payload on that beast? Just wondering. Thanks

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BirchyBoy 07-03-2021 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2 (Post 5816331)
Very nice - what is the payload on that beast? Just wondering. Thanks

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Thanks! The cargo capacity is 3,836lbs :)

BirchyBoy 07-03-2021 08:30 PM

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I went to a CAT scale last night and got an unloaded weight with a full tank of gas and two dogs totaling 70 lbs for a weight of 7,040 (4020 steer, 3020 drive). My tags on the truck have a GAWR of 4,800 and 6,780 with a cargo capacity of 3836.

I put my numbers into a calculator on ChangingGears.com. I subtracted the dogs and added 300lbs for a sliding hitch for the unloaded weight. The dogs and us average 160lbs for the calc. It gave a max tow capacity of 14,250. My plan was to look for a fifth wheel that maxed out at 14,000. I will look at some with a UVW of around 10,500 knowing that our cargo will be around 1k based on our class A experience.

The PO put Hankook Dynapro AT2 tires, size 275/65r18 on. They are a little shorter than the factory 275/70r18, and are load range E with a max load of 3,518 at 80psi.

Have I missed anything or made any mistakes?

tuffr2 07-04-2021 04:33 PM

I think you will be good with a 5th whhel that size. Enjoy

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JIMNLIN 07-05-2021 08:16 AM

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I went to a CAT scale last night and got an unloaded weight with a full tank of gas and two dogs totaling 70 lbs for a weight of 7,040 (4020 steer, 3020 drive). My tags on the truck have a GAWR of 4,800 and 6,780 with a cargo capacity of 3836.
I'm really impressed when someone can post their truck real world scaled unladin axle weights instead of passing along a brochure number.
Ford gives your truck a 6780 lb rawr that gonna' carry all the in the bed load. Now simply subtract 3020 from 6780 = 3760 lbs for a max load on the trucks rear axle. Front axles weights change little to non so its not a concern.
That 6780 rawr is the lessor of a tire or wheel or rear spring pack.

The payload sticker on the truck is gvwr based (front and rear axles). This number if used as a in the bed payload can overload the trucks rawr. The gvwr based payload works for those that may (example)have a overhead rack on a work truck that sits at the back of the bed and mounts on the frame rails at the front of the truck. This way all a gvwr payload can be used if needed.

BirchyBoy 07-06-2021 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JIMNLIN (Post 5818962)
I'm really impressed when someone can post their truck real world scaled unladin axle weights instead of passing along a brochure number.
Ford gives your truck a 6780 lb rawr that gonna' carry all the in the bed load. Now simply subtract 3020 from 6780 = 3760 lbs for a max load on the trucks rear axle. Front axles weights change little to non so its not a concern.
That 6780 rawr is the lessor of a tire or wheel or rear spring pack.

The payload sticker on the truck is gvwr based (front and rear axles). This number if used as a in the bed payload can overload the trucks rawr. The gvwr based payload works for those that may (example)have a overhead rack on a work truck that sits at the back of the bed and mounts on the frame rails at the front of the truck. This way all a gvwr payload can be used if needed.

Thanks for the kind words and help. I towed my Wrangler behind our class A with a 5k limit. I was kind of anal about the weight and spent too much money at the CAT scales doing before and after weights when big changes were made.

BTW: my first pass at the scale with the truck stumped the scale. It read the front correctly but the rear was only 1k. That had the TA manager scratching his head. The reweigh was correct.

BirchyBoy 07-06-2021 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2 (Post 5818205)
I think you will be good with a 5th whhel that size. Enjoy

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Thanks! Now, I just need someone to buy the Winnebago.

BirchyBoy 08-24-2021 09:35 PM

We sold our Winnebago in three weeks and purchased an Alliance Paradigm 310RL with a weight of 12,268 UVW and 15k GVWR. A little more than I wanted but it’s an amazing trailer.

I’ve added a few things to the truck, evidently 600lbs worth, which is hard to believe. I added a roll-up tonneau, Reese puck adapter, Curt Q20 slider, GPS and a couple small things. That plus two dogs all equal the 600lbs I mentioned. My ready to tow weight tonight was 7,640 (4,200 F and 3,440 rear). My wife will add 150 to that. I added a SCT GTX tuner from Five Star with a 85 tow tune and it feels a little peppier but the shifts are much more aggressive. Maybe a little too aggressive when tow/haul is enabled and downshifting.

I hitched up the fifth wheel which is dry (except for a little in the black tank, 7/8 full propane, 3/4 full 20 lb tank, Weber grill, propane fire ring, chairs, some clothes and kitchen stuff. The combined weight was 20,640 (4,200 F, 6,200 R, 10,240 trailer). If I’m correct, the pin weight is 2,760 and the trailer weight is 13k. The pin weight is 21.2%.

I’ve got some chucking so I think I need to add some fresh water and maybe move some of the weight from the pass through to the generator compartment. It did seem to pull a little better when I first picked it up from the dealer with 1/2 tank of water. Adding water is a little difficult because I can’t pull up in front of my house :(

We spent five nights in it the day after we got it home. There are a few small issues but nothing too terrible. It is really, really nice having three A/C’s!

Jerry Burks 08-24-2021 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BirchyBoy (Post 5887146)
We sold our Winnebago in three weeks and purchased an Alliance Paradigm 310RL with a weight of 12,268 UVW and 15k GVWR. A little more than I wanted but it’s an amazing trailer. .....

Congratulations! I agree it is a very nice trailer. Just be prepared there will be a few niggles here or there. But for us that got sorted out quickly.

Your configuration is very similar to mine. I have some 250 lbs more on the hitch but I have the 5500 Onan and some solar and inverter stuff that may explain the difference. Also 2 folding e-bikes in the storage bay., worth 85 pounds. I decided to load the heavy supplies (dog food, beverages etc.) in the back of the trailer or over the trailer axles (we kicked out the chairs and have now dinette benches with substantial storage).

4x4ord 08-25-2021 01:56 PM

Ole Blue looks brand new! 21% pin weight should be plenty of weight on the pin to prevent chucking. Maybe just a bad road?

carybosse 08-25-2021 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BirchyBoy (Post 5887146)
... My wife will add 150 to that. ...

You really posted your wife's weight on here? How long have you been married? How long do you plan to be married?:laugh:

Nice looking truck. That is a far cry from a Wrangler. Without the trailer it is going to require a wee bit more room to park or make a u-turn.

Traveler357 08-27-2021 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by carybosse (Post 5888180)
You really posted your wife's weight on here? How long have you been married? How long do you plan to be married?:laugh:

LOL!!!! Now that's funny!!!

Of course, if she is 6' tall, where is the harm? :D

BirchyBoy 08-27-2021 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by carybosse (Post 5888180)
You really posted your wife's weight on here? How long have you been married? How long do you plan to be married?:laugh:

Nice looking truck. That is a far cry from a Wrangler. Without the trailer it is going to require a wee bit more room to park or make a u-turn.


I could have said 350 but shed still be perfect!

Traveler357 08-27-2021 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BirchyBoy (Post 5890685)
I could have said 350 but shed still be perfect!

And you sir have the right answer!!!

Good looking truck BTW.

SGhost 09-01-2021 11:39 AM

That's a lot of trailer for a 6.2. You might add a Moryde pin box. That will take care of the chucking.

BirchyBoy 09-01-2021 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SGhost (Post 5897209)
That's a lot of trailer for a 6.2. You might add a Moryde pin box. That will take care of the chucking.

Thanks. I just replaced the OE shocks at 53k with Bilstein 5100s. Im hoping that will help.

SGhost 09-02-2021 11:36 AM

Shock replacement will help and may make a smoother ride for the truck but the chucking is the pin box banging the hitch. On rough roads is where the dampening will really make a difference. Especially in Texas and Colorado..... Ask me how I know...

BirchyBoy 09-03-2021 10:41 PM

Ok, time to get real. The new shocks helped some but not enough for the wife to be happy.

Right now, I’ve got a Curt Q20 on a Curt R20 slider attached to a Reese Ford puck adapter. In hindsight, I should have looked harder (or spent more) for a slider that was ready for the Ford pucks.

I visited a local hitch store and they inspected everything and he said it was all good. He did say that the connection between the Reese and Curt will contribute to some of the chucking as does the slider itself.

He told me to check the tow height front to back as well. The fifth wheel sits about 2.5” high in the front when hitched. The hitch can’t go any lower. The only way to get the front down is to raise the pin box. I have two holes above where it is currently attached. I guess that’s my next move, but I need to get a big torque wrench; 275lbs is what I read.

I’m considering moving to a Reese Ultimate or a Pullrite Superlite. I could really use the 200+ lbs that the slider and adapter are adding….

BirchyBoy 09-11-2021 01:09 PM

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I raised the pinbox today and am waiting for my wife to come help me get the bolts torqued. I was sad to see that a bird has created a nest inside the pinbox and theres an egg there :(

PulNSerenity 09-15-2021 08:29 AM

Birds love those pin boxes for a home. I had a devil of a time to keep them out of mine. Right now several trash bags & a hitch cover have kept them out.

BirchyBoy 09-15-2021 09:12 AM

Leveling the trailer by raising the pinbox made a little change, not enough. As a next step, I bought a Pullrite 2600 and Curt goose ball. I’m waiting for the Rota-Flex lockout kit before I install it. That will hopefully come this weekend.

I did the hitch first because I can sell my current one and recoup some money. If it’s better, great. If not, I’ll be ordering a Moryde pinbox next month.

ratherberv 09-17-2021 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by carybosse (Post 5888180)
You really posted your wife's weight on here? How long have you been married? How long do you plan to be married?:laugh:


No, he said she was adding 150lbs to that. I'm guessing she's bringing her purse! :laugh:

BirchyBoy 09-17-2021 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ratherberv (Post 5917274)
No, he said she was adding 150lbs to that. I'm guessing she's bringing her purse! :laugh:

Ha!


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