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iswirv 04-10-2022 11:51 AM

Curious about fuel mileage for tow vehicles
 
I realize that many things effect MPG including terrain, weather, driving style, vehicle weights, weight distribution, etc.

I'm just curious what kind of fuel mileage on average people get with different types of vehicles and set-ups. If you are willing could you share the make and model of your tow vehicle, what engine it has, what you are towing and what miles per gallon you get when towing your trailer?

I'll go first: I have a 2016 Nissan Frontier Pro-4x with a 4.0L V6 gas engine. I pull a 21 foot Forest River Evo trailer weighing about 3800 lbs loaded. I get 10 miles per gallon when towing the trailer.

Old-Biscuit 04-10-2022 11:57 AM

Towing........10 mpg is pretty average regardless of tow vehicle/trailer

Towing a 'wind sail' (trailers)


3500 diesel 4:10 with Auto towing 13'4" 5th wheel at 34' and 14,000#
Avg...10 mpg

tpaul 04-10-2022 04:10 PM

Yup, average about 10 mpg. Mileage is affected as much by wind direction than incline. 2019 Yukon 6.2L gas towing a 24 ft. Outdoors RV 21RD trailer.

RoverPodder 04-10-2022 04:19 PM

I have a 2017 F150 XLT SuperCab with a 2.7 Ecoboost engine towing a 2020 RPod 180 (max weight 3800 lbs).

I typically get 20-22 mpg when not towing and 14-15 mpg when towing.

Cumminsfan 04-10-2022 04:33 PM

2019 Ram 3500 CTD towing an ORV 25RDS @9600lbs.
11-12 mpg on long trips that include all terrain and weather conditions.

tuffr2 04-10-2022 04:45 PM

I have towed small runabout boats with V8 powered cars. Solo the car would get 25 mpg and 15 towing. Gas

Travel trailers I would get 19 mpg solo and 10.5 towing. Gas

On my 2012 F-450 solo was 16 and towing was 10.5. Diesel

ttavasc 04-10-2022 04:56 PM

2019 F-250 XLT 6.2L gas towing 2019 ORV 23DBS at ~8500
Usually between 8.5 and 9.5 on longer trips with mountain passes and 9-10 on shorter trips without the mountain passes.

CamperLifer 04-10-2022 07:52 PM

3.5 Egobeast towing 8000 pounds. 11 MPG

NYJoe 04-10-2022 08:05 PM

Gas Chevy Colorado 3.6 V6 towing 4400lb trailer with kayaks on the Pickup, been getting 11 mpg driving into higher elevations of the North East and 12-ish coming home. Best I clocked was 14 mpg on flat roads with a wind at our backs.

SteveNdebbie 04-10-2022 08:08 PM

2011 Acura MDX towing 6500 lbs at 70 mph around 9 mpg. 11 mpg at 55mph on the byways. Has a 300hp V6.

jleonard 04-11-2022 07:57 AM

Everything I have towed from an 8 ft enclosed trailer to my 30 ft TT and with several different vehicles, I would use the generality that you will get "roughly half" the mileage towing that you get on the highway not towing.

4x4ord 04-11-2022 08:06 AM

2021 F350 Powerstroke averaged 16 mpg over the year I owned it. About 10 mpg towing a 16,000 lb fiver and a little over 20 mpg on long solo highway trips.

Bill Nourse 04-11-2022 10:03 AM

Previous set up was 32' 12,000 Holiday Rambler 5th wheel with 2002 2500 Duramax. 10 to 12 towing, 18-21 highway empty and around 16 in town.

Current set up is 16,000 Nitro XLR 38' toy hauler with 2022 3500 Duramax. 8-10 pulling, 17-20 highway empty and 15-16 around town.

Badjuju 04-11-2022 03:44 PM

2018 F150 3.5EB with a 3.55 rear. About 18 MPG in mixed suburban/xway driving, 20-22 freeway, and 10-11 towing a 20' SA 4000# toy hauler. The 50% drop in mileage while towing is about right. Faster you drive = lower your MPG.

Marine359 04-13-2022 03:15 AM

My 3.6L gasser consistently gets 10.5mpg over mountain, hill and dale in tow/haul @ 65mph. Just finished 6,000 mile coast to coast. Lowest regional fuel economy in High wind New Mexico.

varmonter 04-16-2022 08:03 PM

2017 ram 3500 ctd
Dual rear wheels. Towing a orv 28dbs. 31ft tt.
Gvwr 11k
Gets about 10mpg towing on the interstate 65mph.
A bit better 11-12 on secondary rds at 50mph
Best i ever got was 14 towing out of the mohave preserve back to yuma.mostly downhill with a tailwind lol...

varmonter 04-16-2022 08:26 PM

2017 ram 3500 ctd 3:42 gears g56 tranny
Dual rear wheels. Towing a orv 28dbs. 31ft tt.
Gvwr 11k
Gets about 10mpg towing on the interstate 65mph.
A bit better 11-12 on secondary rds at 50mph
Best i ever got was 14 towing out of the mohave preserve back to yuma.mostly downhill with a tailwind lol... 16 to 18 not towing... if i reset the meter and drive with a feather i can get 20 or better for a little while.. :)

TXiceman 04-16-2022 08:46 PM

The rig in the signature is consistent at 9 to 10 mpg towing the 19,000# 5er at 65 mph on the flats, depending on the wind. More hills it will drop a bit. In the Rockies, 7.0 to 8 MPG at whatever speed I can easily maintain.

Ken

Mot W 04-16-2022 09:48 PM

2004 Silverado 3/4ton 6.1 engine 280kiled

Cougar 24dabwe
16k# total

Get 10-11 90 oct @ all times every where. W/W-o towing
Taught my kids you right foot is attached directly to your wallet

radar 04-16-2022 10:12 PM

Typical rule of thumb over the years for us was to take the regular fuel efficiency and divide by two when towing.

Jmho.

1320Fastback 04-17-2022 09:31 PM

Truck: 1992 Dodge Cummins 12Valve that's been worked on, 5spd Manual trans with 3.54:1 gears.

Trailer: 2005 Forest River Sierra toy hauler 6,900 dry. Always tow with 100 gallons water, two 30lb propane tanks and generally 4 dirtbikes in the back. No idea actual weight but probably around 8,400 per maths.

Truck unloaded in daily driving use gets 21MPG and towing at 55-62 in California I get 13MPG. When we went to Kentucky and back we got 14.38MPG combined over 4,300 miles though. Less stop and go, less hills and mountains I'm guessing.

Teakmtn 04-19-2022 07:13 PM

2012 RAM 2500 6.7 Cummins (optimized) with a SnugTop capper. 15/16 empty on hwy. 10/12 towing ORV 25RDS (9995GVRW). I do have racks and a Fly rod carrier on top of truck and I think that sucks at least 1 gal/mi. Worst milage was coming north from AZ through NV with a nasty headwind, -8 mph. Should of pulled over.

Blazing zipp 04-19-2022 11:02 PM

2016 Ram 2500, 6.4 Hemi, 373 gears, 8.5 to 9 MPG (overall about 40,000 miles) at about 65 MPH. Trailer weighs right at 9500 lbs due to Momma's good food, Cheezits, and beverages.

jimcumminsw 04-20-2022 08:44 AM

I have 14 years of towing data with my 2008 Dodge Mega Cab Diesel engine truck. This is with two different trailers both 5ers, one a Cougar and the other is a Cedar Creek. My lowest fuel milage was 8.4MPG when pulling into a 40 MPH head wind with the Cedar Creek. Most of the time I have average between 11 and 12 MPGs with both trailers in tow.
In the mountains the truck will normal get 10 MPGs per my records.

JIMNLIN 04-23-2022 09:37 PM

Our LDTs have come a long way from the '70s era with carb'd 454/460 one ton drws and 14k-16k GN trailers. Pulling a fully loaded 16k trailers I generally ran in the 4-6 mpgs and maybe 12-13 non towing.

I don't tow full time anymore but my 2500 Dodge/Cummins 305/555 HO NV5600 manual tranny 3.73 gears with the OEM Edge programmer for towing adds 40-50 hp and 80-100 torque will average 11.5-12.5 mpg pulling my 12k gvwr 5th wheel rv trailer.
Pulling a 16k GN triaxle stock trailer with 14880 lbs on the trailers axles on a 386 miles trip averages 9.5-11 mpgs depending on head winds in western OK/KS/TX moving stock to winter wheat....then return in the spring.
All pencil figures.

Later model LDT diesels amaze me at the power and low fuel consumption pulling heavy load over the old iron.

JIMNLIN 04-24-2022 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CamperLifer (Post 6158500)
Only 555 torque ? What a wussy engine.

And whats your point or are you just trolling another argument.

xrated 04-24-2022 07:57 AM

2016 F350 CrewCab diesel, 4x4, 8' bed, 3:73 rear end, 6sp. transmission, aux. tank (60 gallons), B&W 25K hitch in bed. Towing a Grand Design Momentum triple axle 20K GVWR trailer that is 13'6" tall. Loaded travel weight of ~29,500 lbs. We took an "out west" trip last Sept. and I reset the 2nd trip to zero before starting the trip, and didn't clear it till we arrived back home. Starting location was Knoxville, TN area and travel route was I-40 west all the way to Williams, AZ, then up to Zion N.P, then over to Bryce Canyon N.P, then up and over to Moab, UT, then down to I-40 and headed back east. Stayed in the Ft. Smith, AR area for three days and then continued back to the Knoxville area. Most of the 5143 miles total was towing the trailer, but probably 500 to maybe 700 miles was the truck without the trailer.....and again, the 2nd tripometer was not reset until we got home. Total mileage...5143 miles. Total fuel consumed...625 gallons.....8.2 mpg average for the entire trip. I ran 68 to 70 mph everywhere I could go at that speed, obviously less in in the lower speed limit areas we passed through. Air conditioner running almost the entire time until we got to Bryce Canyon area. Did I leave anything out?

CamperLifer 04-25-2022 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JIMNLIN (Post 6158576)
And whats your point or are you just trolling another argument.

Looks like you are trolling for an argument because all I am saying is 555 or 655 is not a large torque number nowadays so I don't understand why you are using that as an example.

Jabroni 04-26-2022 09:24 PM

2021 tundra towing ~4,000lb 21 foot single axle travel trailer averages 10 in the mountains and 11-12 flat. Tow/haul mode on and driving pretty slow. Maybe could do even better if I kept speed around 50 on county roads. Upgraded from a 2016 frontier pro-4x and love the extra power and stability of the full size truck. The frontier really complained on the highway in a headwind.

JIMNLIN 04-26-2022 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CamperLifer (Post 6159525)
Looks like you are trolling for an argument because all I am saying is 555 or 655 is not a large torque number nowadays so I don't understand why you are using that as an example.

.....read all my post in my reply with attention the last part where I stated.
**Later model LDT diesels amaze me at the power and low fuel consumption pulling heavy load over the old iron.**

My 555 torque wussy diesel as yu call it tells anyone that can comprehend or read my sig its a '03/'04 era Dodge/Cummins and certainly not one of the later model diesels . Nowhere did I dis your or anyones tow vehicle or its
performance.

The OPs thread is about our tow vehicle fuel mileage and that is what my reply was aimed at.

Bobertgoes 05-04-2022 10:12 AM

Class-C with 460 gasser 10-11 mpg, and towing a trailer with 6 people dropped to 7.

Nissan Frontier towing a 5 foot wide cargo trailer camper, 17-18 highway. Narrow is king for mpg's.

Nlambert 05-04-2022 02:39 PM

2016 Ram 3500 DRW - 6.7 Cummins

I average 16.7 mpg in the city going to/from work on the interstate.

When I am pulling the rig (with 4 passengers) in my signature (16k lbs) I average anywhere from 10-11.5 mpg depending upon the amount of hills I have to cross. I average 60-65 mph on the interstate.

LoveAF 05-05-2022 11:53 AM

We pull our 5th wheel that weighs in at 9,200 lbs. decked out for a trip with a 2009 Ford F-250, 4X4, CC, LB, 330 c.i. gasoline engine, automatic, 4.56 gears. When the truck was barely out of warranty I regeard it to the 4.56 from a 3.73. That was the best $2,000.00 I ever spent on performance enhancement! It woke that little gas engine up like I couldn't believe.

I use this truck for heavy towing about 90% of the annual mileage, which amounts to less than 5,000 miles on average, so empty/not towing mileage is meaningless to me to the degree that I've never bothered to figure it. I want the giddyup the deep gearing gives me!

Towing with the 3.73's I got right at 8.5 MPG on average. Following my installation of the 4.56's my towing mileage jumped to 9.5-10 MPG with minimal gear searching and our overall towing experience is exponentially enhanced. In other words it's a joy to tow with now. At this point our truck has just over 47,000 miles on it and is in perfect condition and I wouldn't trade it for the best overpriced, expensive to maintain and even more expensive to repair if need be diesel and pay a dollar a gallon more on average for fuel every time we fill.

Ivins 05-05-2022 12:14 PM

I have 27' (bumper to bumper) Lance TT weight that's 6k lbs when full. When I pulled it with our MB GLS-450 we avaeraged about 10 mpg. I now we have a Chev Silverado 1500 w/Duramax. We now pull about 14-15 mpg, w/o trailer in town it's 24-27 mpg.

My dog really prefers the MB.

kdauto 05-05-2022 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoveAF (Post 6171252)
We pull our 5th wheel that weighs in at 9,200 lbs. decked out for a trip with a 2009 Ford F-250, 4X4, CC, LB, 330 c.i. gasoline engine, automatic, 4.56 gears. When the truck was barely out of warranty I regeard it to the 4.56 from a 3.73. That was the best $2,000.00 I ever spent on performance enhancement! It woke that little gas engine up like I couldn't believe.

I use this truck for heavy towing about 90% of the annual mileage, which amounts to less than 5,000 miles on average, so empty/not towing mileage is meaningless to me to the degree that I've never bothered to figure it. I want the giddyup the deep gearing gives me!

Towing with the 3.73's I got right at 8.5 MPG on average. Following my installation of the 4.56's my towing mileage jumped to 9.5-10 MPG with minimal gear searching and our overall towing experience is exponentially enhanced. In other words it's a joy to tow with now. At this point our truck has just over 47,000 miles on it and is in perfect condition and I wouldn't trade it for the best overpriced, expensive to maintain and even more expensive to repair if need be diesel and pay a dollar a gallon more on average for fuel every time we fill.

Was the gearing change recalibrated in the PCM/TCM? If not, you may simply be reading more miles than actually driiven, thus rendering your calculations off a fair amount.

Gammel 05-05-2022 10:39 PM

Just finished a 2200 mile trip. Half was fairly flat but the other half was quite curvy and hilly. Averaged 12.2 pulling our 8000 lb ORV. The home stretch on I-5 I was getting 13.5! After 13,000 miles I think my PowerStroke is about broken in.

SGhost 05-06-2022 05:49 AM

I get about the same mileage as everyone else. What really gets my boiler going is the disparity between regular fuel and diesel. It used to be about 40 cents. Now its about $1.50 in some parts of the country.


Not real pleasant for the future of the RV industry if this continues for any length of time.

LoveAF 05-06-2022 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdauto (Post 6171368)
Was the gearing change recalibrated in the PCM/TCM? If not, you may simply be reading more miles than actually driiven, thus rendering your calculations off a fair amount.

The recalibrations were done by the local Ford dealership following my completion of the break-in procedure of the new ring and pinions. I've checked the speedometer and odometer against handheld GPS and the speed & mileage numbers are dead nuts on the money.

LoveAF 05-06-2022 07:37 AM

Not an RV but we also pull a Sea Ray Sundeck 210 I/O deck boat on a tandem axle trailer with surge disc brakes that weighs in at approximately 5,400 lbs. on a tandem axle boat trailer with a 2016 Toyota Tacoma 4X4, V-6, automatic, double cab, short box. On flat land we get approximately 15 MPG. That number drops to around 12.5 MPG in the hills on the way to Table Rock Lake/Lake of the Ozarks. Toyota built some guts into that little V-6 engine. It will pull the boat and trailer up and down the grades of the Ozark Mountains with ease! Only modifications I needed to make to the Tacoma was an aftermarket transmission fluid cooler.

Nlambert 05-06-2022 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoveAF (Post 6171252)
We pull our 5th wheel that weighs in at 9,200 lbs. decked out for a trip with a 2009 Ford F-250, 4X4, CC, LB, 330 c.i. gasoline engine, automatic, 4.56 gears. When the truck was barely out of warranty I regeard it to the 4.56 from a 3.73. That was the best $2,000.00 I ever spent on performance enhancement! It woke that little gas engine up like I couldn't believe.

I use this truck for heavy towing about 90% of the annual mileage, which amounts to less than 5,000 miles on average, so empty/not towing mileage is meaningless to me to the degree that I've never bothered to figure it. I want the giddyup the deep gearing gives me!

Towing with the 3.73's I got right at 8.5 MPG on average. Following my installation of the 4.56's my towing mileage jumped to 9.5-10 MPG with minimal gear searching and our overall towing experience is exponentially enhanced. In other words it's a joy to tow with now. At this point our truck has just over 47,000 miles on it and is in perfect condition and I wouldn't trade it for the best overpriced, expensive to maintain and even more expensive to repair if need be diesel and pay a dollar a gallon more on average for fuel every time we fill.

Without wanting to derail the thread, why do you assume that a diesel truck is expensive to maintain? It's really not much more (if any) expensive to maintain than a gas burner counterpart. I've done the math quite a few times and they come out to be a wash. Repairs can be more expensive, but the amount of miles that can be had out of a properly maintained diesel far outweighs a gas burner, so if you intend to keep one for a really long time, even that can wash. It boils down more to preference of what one person wants.

At 200k miles in comparing the service intervals of a Ram 3500 6.4L Hemi and a 2016 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins, the total maintenance cost works out to be within about $300 of each other, with the extra $300 in maintenance going to the HEMI.

For fuel, the cost also sways towards the diesel engine (including the cost of DEF) when diesel remains below $5/gal. Right now, diesel is $5.39/gal here, so gas is a cheaper option long term by about $5k. As soon as it drops below $5/ diesel is back in the lead. Again, this is estimated over a 200k mile interval.

kdauto 05-06-2022 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nlambert (Post 6172018)
Without wanting to derail the thread, why do you assume that a diesel truck is expensive to maintain? It's really not much more (if any) expensive to maintain than a gas burner counterpart. I've done the math quite a few times and they come out to be a wash. Repairs can be more expensive, but the amount of miles that can be had out of a properly maintained diesel far outweighs a gas burner, so if you intend to keep one for a really long time, even that can wash. It boils down more to preference of what one person wants.

At 200k miles in comparing the service intervals of a Ram 3500 6.4L Hemi and a 2016 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins, the total maintenance cost works out to be within about $300 of each other, with the extra $300 in maintenance going to the HEMI.

For fuel, the cost also sways towards the diesel engine (including the cost of DEF) when diesel remains below $5/gal. Right now, diesel is $5.39/gal here, so gas is a cheaper option long term by about $5k. As soon as it drops below $5/ diesel is back in the lead. Again, this is estimated over a 200k mile interval.

I've maintained both gas and their diesel counterparts at my shop. On average, the diesel maintenance costs are double the equivalent gas trucks. One of the more expensive to maintain were the Ecodiesel RAMs. Fuel and oil filters all multiple times the cost of their gas counterparts. Oil quantity often double, and in some cases 2.5 the amount if liters the has engine needs. Intervals can be slightly longer on some diesels, but it in no way makes up the cost difference.

As I always say, each engine has their place, and one should simply choose according to their wants and needs.

Bobertgoes 05-06-2022 09:51 AM

Farm equipt all runs on diesel. After burning some 21 food processing plants just recently (very very very not normal at all), and cutting off fertilizer or tripling its price, now by raising diesel prices the farmers might just not harvest...
What is the reason diesel is so much higher? It is the same barrel of oil, the same distillation process, the same gas, diesel, oil produced. Demand is probably less for diesel with the "supply chain" down and fewer trucks out on the road. Why is diesel more expensive? Diesel is not more expensive to produce than gas, it all gets produced at the exact same time, the exact same way...
Im glad I got rid of the diesel truck when I did.

LoveAF 05-06-2022 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nlambert (Post 6172018)
Without wanting to derail the thread, why do you assume that a diesel truck is expensive to maintain? It's really not much more (if any) expensive to maintain than a gas burner counterpart. I've done the math quite a few times and they come out to be a wash. Repairs can be more expensive, but the amount of miles that can be had out of a properly maintained diesel far outweighs a gas burner, so if you intend to keep one for a really long time, even that can wash. It boils down more to preference of what one person wants.

At 200k miles in comparing the service intervals of a Ram 3500 6.4L Hemi and a 2016 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins, the total maintenance cost works out to be within about $300 of each other, with the extra $300 in maintenance going to the HEMI.

For fuel, the cost also sways towards the diesel engine (including the cost of DEF) when diesel remains below $5/gal. Right now, diesel is $5.39/gal here, so gas is a cheaper option long term by about $5k. As soon as it drops below $5/ diesel is back in the lead. Again, this is estimated over a 200k mile interval.

Whatever works for you. I've found it's more personal preference as opposed to dollars & cents. Diesels are cool, I get that. Initial cost of a diesel is in the neighborhood of $15,000.00 more than the gas trucks. 15 large is a lot of money to us. Diesel resale is higher but not that much higher. I know, I've had several. I'm a grain farmer and I've never run a pickup truck over 100,000 miles but what it didn't need several thousand dollars in repairs and that holds true for gas or diesel. I had an F-350 diesel with a service body on it that cost me $22,000.00 in less than 1 year. That kind of repair bill gets your attention and keeps your attention! It had 132,000 miles on it at the time and it was impeccably maintained. I do not skimp on maintenance. I've yet to have a gasoline powered truck cost me more than $7800.00 to keep in service and 150,000 miles is my trade trigger mileage. Diesels are a PITA when it gets below zero. I need them to start and be dependable in all weather and I have to plug in the engine heater overnight and I have to be cognizant of fuel gel treatment, especially in the days of biodiesel. I've had nagging problems with glow plugs, as well. None of that is a concern with the gasoline powered trucks I've owned.

I've been broke down on the road pulling our 5th wheel with a 1 ton SRW Ram equipped with a Cummins. Took almost a week to get it back on line. The only upside of that deal is it was still in warranty. I've been in several pissing contests with diesel diehards and like anything else they have their advantages and so do the gasoline engines. 200,000 miles is not a mileage goal we aspire to so ultimate longevity is not a concern.

All I know is what I know and what I know is after being in business for 30+ years I've found that the gasoline engines in our pickups have been a much more satisfying combination. But as I said, diesels are cool and sexy!

CamperLifer 05-07-2022 11:07 PM

8-12 MPG towing heavy in pretty much anything. Why worry ?

Bobertgoes 05-09-2022 08:05 AM

I know it must be great for those who say $1,000 or $2,000 or $5,000 in gas is all the same to them, but even $50 difference is gas price for a trip makes a difference to some people. At 8 mpg a jump to 9mpg is a huge difference on the wallet, over a 10% difference, and it does matter.

If you spend $X on a rig then calculate how much it will cost to drive across the country the difference in a behemoth and a more modest trailer could be hundreds of dollars in gas difference. The breaking point will be different for everyone. Some may say, $700 in gas is it for my trip, $1,500 is way too much, but some on you commenting are trying to tell that person that $700 or $1,500 is not the concern and to not worry about it. lol. just stop posting maybe. Wow. If the guy says it matters to him then it matters, why your telling him that him spending thousands more on fuel is not a budget concern? wow, just wow. outtatouchwithreality

laj 05-09-2022 08:40 AM

Curious about fuel mileage for tow vehicles
 
Perhaps they shouldnít be shopping in a Ferrari store, complaining about the price, when all they can really afford is a geo.

When you buy the Ferrari you know, or should know a tune-up, and oil change is going to be north of 5k, its part of the cost.

When your driving something that doesnít get 20 mpg., its part of it. Lots of people try to live way over what theycan afford, then bitch about it.

mto502 05-09-2022 08:45 AM

I guess with todays gas/diesel prices it doesn't matter what you drive. Whether it's a Prius, Geo, Hummer or semi tractor, your cost to fuel up is about twice as much as it used to be.

In the states I recall seeing prices at around $1.68 for gas and diesel, so it's gone up more than twice as much in the states. In Canada we used to pay close to 1 buck a liter, or even less. As of a couple of days ago we are now up to $1.99 a liter for gas and $2.45 a liter for diesel, so it has basically doubled here. I have a 48 gallon tank (182 liters), so from bone dry I'm now looking at $364 to fill up with gas. Diesel would be about $445. Kinda crazy.

radar 05-09-2022 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mto502 (Post 6175215)
I guess with todays gas/diesel prices it doesn't matter what you drive. Whether it's a Prius, Geo, Hummer or semi tractor, your cost to fuel up is about twice as much as it used to be.

In the states I recall seeing prices at around $1.68 for gas and diesel, so it's gone up more than twice as much in the states. In Canada we used to pay close to 1 buck a liter, or even less. As of a couple of days ago we are now up to $1.99 a liter for gas and $2.45 a liter for diesel, so it has basically doubled here. I have a 48 gallon tank (182 liters), so from bone dry I'm now looking at $364 to fill up with gas. Diesel would be about $445. Kinda crazy.

This is evolving as well. We are in BC and live close to a Supercharger. Last year it was rare to see a car / trailer combo at the supercharger. This year even though itís May itís getting more common to see a combo charging up and heading out. We are in a tourist spot so I guess that is to be expected. I try to look at the plates and from what I can see most are from BC. Still, I think this will get even more common as more EV SUVís and half tons hit the road everyday. And itís definitely a fraction of the cost, even if one has to charge at a fast charger or supercharger.

Side note. Fast charge operators need to make more trailer friendly charge facilities so we donít have to take up 3 stalls to charge.

Suffice to say, the gasoline companies are going to lose some clients as some RVers switch to electric...or at least those pulling smaller trailers.

mto502 05-09-2022 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radar (Post 6175245)
This is evolving as well. We are in BC and live close to a Supercharger. Last year it was rare to see a car / trailer combo at the supercharger. This year even though it’s May it’s getting more common to see a combo charging up and heading out. We are in a tourist spot so I guess that is to be expected. I try to look at the plates and from what I can see most are from BC. Still, I think this will get even more common as more EV SUV’s and half tons hit the road everyday. And it’s definitely a fraction of the cost, even if one has to charge at a fast charger or supercharger.

Side note. Fast charge operators need to make more trailer friendly charge facilities so we don’t have to take up 3 stalls to charge.

Suffice to say, the gasoline companies are going to lose some clients as some RVers switch to electric...or at least those pulling smaller trailers.

You know the price for electricity will be skyrocketing next. Wait for it!

It has already climbed substantially in price. Everything is going up!

Dodge Guy 05-09-2022 09:14 AM

Got to laugh at some of these claims!
I wonder how many have done the real math?

Even my 13 Explorer with its NA V-6 only gets 8 towing a boat!

radar 05-09-2022 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mto502 (Post 6175253)
You know the price for electricity will be skyrocketing next. Wait for it!

It already has climbed substantially in price. Everything is going up!

Maybe. Who knows. Everybody told us that 7 years ago when we switched to electric. Back then it was 4 times cheaper to drive electric than gas. Now itís 6 times. Guess weíll see. BC hydro just applied to the utility commision to lower itís rates. Who knows where this is going.

Cheers.

mto502 05-09-2022 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dodge Guy (Post 6175257)
Got to laugh at some of these claims!
I wonder how many have done the real math?

Even my 13 Explorer with its NA V-6 only gets 8 towing a boat!

Yes, and why I think 7-8 mpg for the 7.3 Godzilla gaser hauling well over 10k lbs isn't bad, considering, although the V6 Explorer was always a gas pig regardless. Those are realistic numbers too. Some of these diesel claims just aren't happening in the real world, but you'll always see them in the diesel vs gas debates.

mto502 05-09-2022 12:35 PM

A little off topic, but to add to my last post, when the trailer we ordered is ready to pick up, we will be traveling through the states, and will save hundreds on gas. I'm in Ontario and the dealer is in Alberta, so this will be a solid 3 days of driving. A good chunk of that will be cutting through the states. Well worth it, plus I've never been through Wisconsin, North Dakota, Chicago or the prairies in both the US and Canada. It's getting close! The fuel prices are going to hurt regardless but even with the exchange rate the US will save me quite a few bucks.

LoveAF 05-10-2022 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dodge Guy (Post 6175257)
Got to laugh at some of these claims!
I wonder how many have done the real math?

Even my 13 Explorer with its NA V-6 only gets 8 towing a boat!

I've figured the fuel mileage our Toyota Tacoma V-6 4X4 pulling our 5,400 lb. boat several times in differing conditions and we get around 16 MPG give or take a mile or two. I can demonstrate that as being fact and will gladly prove it if anyone wants to observe.

Ours is not a claim, it's fact.

mto502 05-10-2022 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LoveAF (Post 6176225)
I've figured the fuel mileage our Toyota Tacoma V-6 4X4 pulling our 5,400 lb. boat several times in differing conditions and we get around 16 MPG give or take a mile or two. I can demonstrate that as being fact and will gladly prove it if anyone wants to observe.

Ours is not a claim, it's fact.

I can believe that. Those little Tacoma's have historically gotten great mileage. The Explorers, not so much. If I recall the Explorer used to come with an optional V8, and the V8 got better mileage than the V6. Hauling a boat is much different than hauling an enclosed trailer/windsail however.

Marine359 05-10-2022 06:59 AM

Just a note about fuel economy:
On our recent coast-to-coast, we drove our rig 6,013 miles. We actually averaged 10.5 mpg, but RVParky only has 1 mpg increments in the economy settings.

Using RVParky to calculate fuel cost with an average price for the trip of $4.29;
Average fuel economy of 10 mpg , trip fuel cost $2,579
If average fuel economy had dropped just 1 mpg from 10 to 9 mpg, trip fuel cost would have been $300 more. At 8 mpg, $600 more.

So, although higher fuel cost didn’t change our trip plan, we’re glad we have a small rig with good fuel economy because $600 is about the sum total of what we paid for all of the food and dining out we consumed on the trip. It’s not an insurmountable amount of money, but it’s significant enough to set my cruise control at 65mph and never go faster.

runamuck 05-10-2022 07:39 AM

I just calculated the fuel cost difference for a trip we have coming up that will be about 1750 miles and if I use my son's dsl 2500 that gets 14 towing vs my gas 1500 that gets 8, I would spend about 250$ less on fuel. I doubt I would ever be able to save enough on fuel to cover the 9,000$ extra acquisition cost and additional maintenance required for the dsl.

Cumminsfan 05-10-2022 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by runamuck (Post 6176314)
I just calculated the fuel cost difference for a trip we have coming up that will be about 1750 miles and if I use my son's dsl 2500 that gets 14 towing vs my gas 1500 that gets 8, I would spend about 250$ less on fuel. I doubt I would ever be able to save enough on fuel to cover the 9,000$ extra acquisition cost and additional maintenance required for the dsl.

Then don't use your sons 2500.

SGhost 05-10-2022 03:33 PM

The issue right now is the $1.60 disparity in the cost of Gas Vs. Diesel. Used to be about .40 cents. That's on TOP of the dramatic jump in fuel cost. My BIG concern is this needle won't swing back until 2024.

rideandfly 05-14-2022 07:03 AM

Tow with a 2022 SR5 Tundra 3.5L twin turbo 2WD.

Not towing getting 19MPG around town and 24MPG highway.

Towing a 4900 pound trailer getting better than 13MPG NC & TN mountains and 15 to 16MPG highway flatter terrain.

LoveAF 05-15-2022 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SGhost (Post 6176785)
The issue right now is the $1.60 disparity in the cost of Gas Vs. Diesel. Used to be about .40 cents. That's on TOP of the dramatic jump in fuel cost. My BIG concern is this needle won't swing back until 2024.

Or ever.

tuffr2 05-15-2022 01:19 PM

rideandfly - that is what I consider excellent mpg.

rideandfly 05-16-2022 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2 (Post 6182128)
rideandfly - that is what I consider excellent mpg.


I'm very easy on the throttle and don't use cruise control. Allow the rig to slow slightly going up hills and gain speed a little going down hills. When on steep grades we get in the truck slow lane up and down hills, too. This 2WD 2022 Tundra pickup is getting it's best MPG at 5000 miles on the odometer, so far!

Bobertgoes 05-17-2022 02:25 PM

The issue with diesel now is the potato heads have converted their refineries from turning crude into diesel to turning vegetable oil into diesel, aka boidiesel.

There is no way we can grow enough corn and soy to make all the diesel fuel we need and have anything left over for food, so there is more than fuel at play.
The current issue is with a lack of diesel farmers will have trouble tending their crops, and harvesting them, then the trucks will have difficulty moving the product and trains as well, to the refineries, and have a hard time fueling up to ship the product to the gas stations. I am not sure if biodiesel is pushed through the pipelines or not, I assume it does just the same as other fuels, so then you need electricity to run those pumps which need the now-scarce coal or oil all while more n more potato heads are sapping electricity to charge their e cars.

No diesel = no bio fuels. No fuels = no nothing!

The shortage is not Russia Russia Russia related, nor putin, nor covid, it is the refineries being off-line that otherwise would take the distilled crude diesel and ultimately send it down the pipes... How dumb are we all? We are probably the world's laughing stock. Next they might ban rubber tires.

Flyer15015 05-17-2022 02:34 PM

Yup, and tires are made of ?????????

radar 05-17-2022 02:42 PM

Friends just cancelled their trip from BC down the Oregon and California coast. They started calculating the price of fuel after the metric conversion and exchange and were surprized to see it as much as 20 percent higher than where they are in BC. Now they are going to wait a few more weeks and do the island and inside passage to Prince Rupert. We hope to do that next year.

On edit. I’m not sure where they were going. But apparently some places were close to 7 bucks USD per US gallon. Is that possible? Seems…high.

dj1100rt 07-28-2022 03:10 PM

GMC SSierra 2500, 6.0L, 3.73 pulls a 4500# TT getting 12.5 mpg with the ac on. Without ac in the fall, gets 13.5 consistently but we only travel at 62 mph on the divided highways. Slowing down really makes a difference.

CamperLifer 07-30-2022 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by rideandfly (Post 6180806)
Tow with a 2022 SR5 Tundra 3.5L twin turbo 2WD.

Not towing getting 19MPG around town and 24MPG highway.

Towing a 4900 pound trailer getting better than 13MPG NC & TN mountains and 15 to 16MPG highway flatter terrain.

Same with my 3.5 TT.

runamuck 07-30-2022 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Cumminsfan (Post 6176401)
Then don't use your sons 2500.


I didnt borrow the 2500 dsl and just used my 1500 5.7 hemi with 3.92 gears. towed a little slower than usual at 68 and got 9.0 for the whole trip. not too bad considering the change in altitude from 600 at home to 8500 ft. at woodland park. the truck ran fine and even one stretch heading north on I-25 from Pueblo I caught myself running over 70 a cpl. times because I dont use cruise in the hills.

Rosy 07-30-2022 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by iswirv (Post 6143548)
I realize that many things effect MPG including terrain, weather, driving style, vehicle weights, weight distribution, etc.

I'm just curious what kind of fuel mileage on average people get with different types of vehicles and set-ups. If you are willing could you share the make and model of your tow vehicle, what engine it has, what you are towing and what miles per gallon you get when towing your trailer?

I'll go first: I have a 2016 Nissan Frontier Pro-4x with a 4.0L V6 gas engine. I pull a 21 foot Forest River Evo trailer weighing about 3800 lbs loaded. I get 10 miles per gallon when towing the trailer.

Everyone I've talked to who's towing a travel trailer with a gas engine gets about 8-10 mpg. Possibly lower in a head or cross wind.

PhilAndTee 07-31-2022 03:52 PM

2013 Ford Explorer 3.5L NA. Towing a 5000# fully loaded trailer. At 65 about 11 mpg, as low as 6 mpg into a heavy headwind.

Tomahawk 08-05-2022 05:07 PM

On a typical trip to Sequoia NP, I go from sea level to 4100ft, back to near sea level, then up to 6800 ft. For the entire trip, I usually average about 14MPG. I have done this at least five times. In California the speed limit is 55 when towing and try to stick to that +/-5 MPH. I usually fill up before leaving home and again right before climbing into SEKI. Fill up at Stony Creek Lodge before heading home. I can make it home without filling up again but usually top off somewhere as a precaution against head winds and traffic. 3.21 rear end, 4500 lb tailer loaded, and 55 MPH help improve mileage.

Bobertgoes 08-06-2022 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomahawk (Post 6268151)
On a typical trip to Sequoia NP, I go from sea level to 4100ft, back to near sea level, then up to 6800 ft. For the entire trip, I usually average about 14MPG. I have done this at least five times. In California the speed limit is 55 when towing and try to stick to that +/-5 MPH. I usually fill up before leaving home and again right before climbing into SEKI. Fill up at Stony Creek Lodge before heading home. I can make it home without filling up again but usually top off somewhere as a precaution against head winds and traffic. 3.21 rear end, 4500 lb tailer loaded, and 55 MPH help improve mileage.

I know how thats rights. I leave from about 800 feet and go over 300 then back down to 2000 and I leave from Oakesville point then pass through Lones Pine, and get gas there, it is usually around the speed limit too, +/-10 though in my case, then its all downhill to Lima and that is always tailwinds too, and when I fill up again half way home it is in Dalkonton and very expensive gas there, but as the oldest and kookiest of forum users here always say, spend your money, dont worry about gas prices, dont worry about getting cheaper gas, just buy the most expensive, sometimes 55 cents more per gallon, and buy it and dont worry, but these are the same senile ones that say go out and buy a new RV for 100,000 bucks as soon as the first little issue arises in your RV, so maybe just ignore most of what they say, anyhow, going down it is expensive gas, but after that I can make it home. And thats going via the route through Bomans, not around Holiday. thanks

Dave Pelletier 08-06-2022 09:29 AM

My '03 CTD 305/555, pre emissions diesel averaged 12.3 mpg towing approx 10k at reasonable speeds on secondary highways. I haven't had time to check my new 2022 6.7PSD towing my 10k 25RDS Outdoors RV

rideandfly 08-06-2022 10:03 AM

Been experimenting using cruise control during July while towing our travel trailer with over 10,000 miles on the Tundra’s odometer by the end of this trip.

Tundra’s on board MPG indicator is accurate and was used for the following two test using cruise control. Both of the following test were over 300 miles each on interstate/4 lane highways.

2022 2WD SR5 Tundra V6 twin turbo with street tires on Tundra & Camper. TV tire pressures 40 PSI and Camper’s tire pressures 50 PSI. Camper's weight between 4900 to 4950 pounds with empty grey and black water tanks. Rig weight is around 10,900 pounds. Check Rig & TV/Camper weights periodically with CAT scales.

Set cruise at 63MPH yielding 61MPH GPS speed. Tow haul mode used with 7th gear. Engine speed was 2150 RPM.

During the test while climbing a 5% grade reduced speed to 55MPH and dropped down to 6th gear.

One way test from Crossville TN (TN plateau area) to Denver NC (300+miles) yielded 15.8 MPG.

Round trip from Crossville TN to Howenwald TN and back to Crossville (300+ miles) yielded 15.5 MPG.

Should see better MPG in the flat lands, will see.


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Gammel 08-06-2022 04:48 PM

Got 12.8 towing our 8000 lb ORV last trip on a route with lots of big hills.

mmartin_tdc 08-10-2022 10:27 PM

I did a 4500 mile trip from SF area to Arkadelphia AR, Went out I40 and back I80.
Hand calculated MPG towing a 30' 9500# Crusader 260 RLD 5th wheel, 11.13MPG.
This includes all the up hills, down hills, into the wind, with the wind. The long up hills, truck maintained 65 MPH. Worst tank I got was right at 9 MPG with a 26 MPH head wind most of the 600 mile day.
2012 Ram CTD with 4:10 gears.


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